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Pillar of the Community
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oober Quote: Google Silver Fix and read about the corruption involved. Read about 30 minuets on 3 threads Couldn't figure it out as a "fix."
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: With total respect to all
Silver fix?
Manipulation?
I don't get it.
Last time I remember a "corner on silver" was back with the Hunt Brothers ~~ about 1980?
Anyway they got their head(s) on a block
If anyone thinks there is a way to fix or manipulate AG ~~ AU ~~ PMs~~ please share
Thank you. Central banks manipulate the money supply all the time via 'printing'. They can do the same with 'paper' commodities such as gold and silver. Accusations toward Deutsche Bank last year, $100 million + selltlement.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
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Pillar of the Community
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Couple of things-
I am with Domain, what manipulation or "fix"? The best I can say is when anyone tries to "manipulate" something in markets, once the market gets wind of it, there they go to see how they can make money out of it, just ask the Hunt brothers. The Hunts tried to manipulate silver higher and they got crushed and this is something that happens behind the scenes a lot.
The markets are way too big for any one party to try and lock up or manipulate something without someone else getting wind and driving prices in another direction.
Secondly, today is a perfect example of why I laugh in the face of textbooks and economists and economic text books. A strong dollar, rising interest rates do not mean automatically lower prices in gold. Today is a perfect example of that and mind you, this is not the first time we have seen this happen.
So remember, next time gold is falling, dont reach for the old "oh the strong dollar" or the "higher interest rates are going to kill PMs".
Fact is the BEST thing any investor or trader can do is follow price action, price cuts through all the noise.
Going forward, it will be interesting to see if gold starts to rise from here or continues with its sloppy price action with more back and forth.
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Pillar of the Community
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Gold and silver look constructive here and if they can keep this going, some key numbers on the chart will start to show more strength.
For gold, getting over 1264.90 would signal more strength coming in and the overall price structure improving.
On silver it is getting over 18.54.
The coming weeks will be interesting.
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Pillar of the Community
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Those who try to trade these metals on spikes usually get burned. Unless the price doubles or triples the transaction costs ear you up.
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Pillar of the Community
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Constructive week for gold last week and any traders swing trading gold on shorter time frames were paid handsomely last week as price jumped higher.
For this week we are looking to see if
1- the PMs can hold on to last weeks gains
2- on a shorter time frame prices- for gold, getting over last weeks high of 1234 and silver at 17.58 would greatly increase the probabilities for higher prices this week.
The key numbers on a longer time frame, for the coming weeks is if 18.54 can breached on the upside for silver and 1264.90 on gold. Breaking these higher greatly increases the probabilities for gold and silver to march even higher. Time will tell.
one final observation is in regards to the miners. They look like garbage. After a few weeks of holding up versus the PMs, now the miners look awfully weak and not running with the metal. Some traders take this as an early warning sign that the PMs are going to fall. In some cases, it has been noted that the miners start dropping in advance of large drops in the PMs. This is not always the case as correlations come and go but it is something to keep an eye out.
As always, be patient and watch the price action.
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Pillar of the Community
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Hope to get in some charts this weekend.
some thoughts-
gold- continues with constructive price action. Broke out this past week on a shorter time frame.
Now comes the big test. Breaking 1264.90 with AUTHORITY is going to be a big deal. That will raise probabilities for higher prices and strengthening the uptrend. We will also see if gold is ready for prime time or we continue with more of the back and forth.
silver- same as gold, broke out higher on a shorter time frame last week. Its big number will be 18.54 which again, if it can break out above it, increase probabilities for higher prices.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
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Time is running out on me so let me be brief here-
The key number, the most important one remains 1264.90, for gold to break that. From there we'll see what happens but thats part of step one if you are wanting higher prices.
For silver the key number is breaking above 18.54.
Until these areas in price are broken, its hard to really look with interest at gold and silver. IF/when we hit these areas, we will then need to see HOW price reacts in these areas, whether they hold to their gains for give them back up.
Be patient, dont get ahead of yourself and make predictions, just follow price and time and the market will show its hand.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have YET to find ONE day with all my mining stocks that compares to the bigger days of 2016, well, maybe 1, 2 at most...I did make about 6.5% on the account one day, but, like most runs, was swiftly taken away...grind, grind, grind..this year has been 3 stepa forward, 2 back....2 steps forward, 3 back, 5 steps forward, 4 back....the bigger run, run, run event has yet to hit..maybe with YUP'S numbers reached, the big money will come back. Thanks for the numbers YUP, I wrote them down. Best of luck to all investors this week, physical, and/or equities...seems "outside" forces(Russian demonstrations, Washington imploding, Stock futures tonight heding sharply down), may be benificial for spot.
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Pillar of the Community
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@ilikeikes
The miners, I dunno, I look at them and I see very little to be excited about if I was looking for a trade on the buy side.
I look at them, and they all look like they are one step away from deaths door step. I mean that like right now. Who knows, maybe in a few days the picture changes. I dunno. But as it stands right now, this moment, miners look like garbage, I could care less about them.
The other negative on the buy side is silver. Up already, what like 8 days in a row. This is a very very CRAPPY set up if its going to break that number I mention in the post above, chances are very high it does from here it will roll over, again. It would be better a set up if it gradually based into that price target to break it with authority. Is it possible that it does it from here. Sure but its not the BEST, IDEAL set up.
Gold looks much better making its move into the price break out Which is why I prefer gold over silver, silver seems to suck in those looking to do more with less. Both metals are volatile like heck but silver will always be the red headed step child.
I would wait for our cash markets on the S & P to open, when they do at 9 30 AM EST and see what gold does and then see HOW they close, both gold and the S and P. BTW, pits close in the afternoon for gold, before we close our cash markets.
Right now the futures dont mean much, for now.
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Pillar of the Community
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so..
on the shorter time frames, the break outs happened. Up ahead are those more important price numbers mentioned in bold from my post I did yesterday.
Its possible they can breach them higher but they arent not coming into them in the best possible manner, which could set up for more of the same, which is where gold and silver retrace considerably.
The best scenario would be silver and gold pull back from here and digest these gains, just base, go sideways for a few weeks again and THEN attempt to breach them. If they can go sideways and digest the gains without pulling back deeply, just staying in a range, that would allow for a better break out to push higher.
So very important week for those of you who want higher prices because here we are at a point where prices could run higher, should conditions be favorable.
Miners, I really dont see much in the way of good looking names. I quickly went through the list from that scan I did really quick for the benefit of members here. Best looking ones are ABX, SSRI and GOLD. Everything else just looks a lot weaker.
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Pillar of the Community
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so gold and silver holding in a range this week. Thats constructive.
However, big clues could be coming as early as next week. We see that silver closed on the higher end of the range and gold bounced off the low end of its range.
this weeks sideway action could help set up silver and gold to break important price points that would bode well for those wanting higher prices.
more later
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Pillar of the Community
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I can buy stock that yields 9% dividend. Why gamble on PM's? Is silver going to $50 an ounce?
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Valued Member
Canada
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Common stock with a yield of 9% is almost certainly just, if not more risky.
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Pillar of the Community
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@terry8835.
My stock performance did quite well last year. Great investments, for the moment, hopefully the future. My PM's, I don't worry as they aren't an investment as much as they are a hedge against the possibility of my other investments failing. I really don't care about the price of my PM's today, as long as they retain value. Historically, PM's have carried value through the ages, thousands of years. The stock market is just a tiny blip in history.
When I listen to LED ZEPPELIN...so do my neighbors... Roll hunting since '77 Dirt fishing since '72
Edited by fistfulladirt 04/01/2017 05:08 am
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