2012 Special Wrapped Roll #20,000/20,000

Everyone has their own opinion and philosophically you quite possibly are correct.
In my book and many others involved in the auction # 20,000 out of # 20,000 certainly does signify the last numbered roll for circulation. If these holograms were meant to serve as a simple audit tag, a COA certificate would have been a much easier way to identify and distribute them.
Printing numbered holograms is not an easy way to identify the rolls compared to printing COA's, especially 20,000 of them. Believe me, I'm in the label printing industry. These would print consecutively and be numbered with a laser jet printer in line on the press. The diffcult part is accounting for and replacing labels that are spoiled within the run from printing and/or die cutting issues. Not an easy or cost effective task.

Either way, this is the most certifiable last roll that I can tell which is available to the public. Whether it truly is or not, who knows?

Doesn't it say on the website that if a product is sold out you would just be refunded for your purchase?
Might be a good way to turn your penny roll back into its original 20 dollar bill form though! :P

Good point, Dooby Rak.

I think, Mint has predicted those cases.
And you may get the same Serial Number on the sticker.
And, although it is officially "Last Million", but probably last 1.500.000 coins were packed in such "special" way.

As far as cost of a COA versus the hologram #'ing here's the process:

COA - 1 print run on an offset press 40" x 28" printed in sheets with multiple images (estimate 40) per sheet. The stock isn't anything special or too expensive.
These would then get cut down, sequentially laser numbered and folded on an automatic folder. Mint get's the COA's and distributes them liteally out of a box that could sit beside their packaging line. Easy to apply to each product. Hence that's why the COA's you get with NCLT coins most likely have absolutely nothing to do with the way they were actually minted unless the mint ensures they keep track of the coins from finishing all the way through to packaging and ensures the COA's are also distributed the same way.
Also, if one gets destroyed, they don't have to go back to press as they can just re-number a blank which has already been printed on the folder/laser numbering equipment.

Hologram - 1 print run on a flexo press with material that has already been laser etched with the mints hologram on it. Extremely expensive pressure sensitive specialized stock. Labels are sequentially numbered by a laser jet printer and die cut in line and rewound on a roll. These labels are then applied by hand to each roll, one by one as they are hand unwound from the rolls. More labour intensive than simply putting a COA with the product. If a label gets damaged, you literally have to go back to press to print the number(s) that needs to be replaced.

Based on the stock cost and defective number replacement cost alone, the COA is a less expensive option. Add in the extra labour to hand apply 20,000 labels and it's not close.

Most of the time.

You are really discounting the costs involved. Probably due to your lack of understanding of the process and actual costs.
To compare it to a generic dollar store hologram from China and the volume that goes with it shows you truly don't understand what's involved. The RCM hologram is customized with their logo, sequentially numbered and is for only 20,000 products. An extremely small run where many costs are amortized over a small sampling.

I don't pretend to be a coin expert as I am new to the hobby.
I can tell you I'm a label expert and have been in the industry for 20+ years. I've worked with most major consumer product companies in that time and have produced literally billions of labels for them.

I appreciate learning from these forums and am just trying to share my expertise to contribute.
Maybe there are folks here that "have to be right". So be it. That's their perogative.

If you look at how the 1oz. O Canada subscription coins came, no case and no rubber band but still a COA. If you've received a roll from the mint, you would see that they included a small box inside the larger box which could have easily fit the COA with the roll.
I will guarantee you the hologram label is BY FAR, the most expensive part of this penny roll.
Enough said, I'm out.

wow. Nice piece of fiction. Just humble 'Jack' getting his one roll in the mail eh? Selling it off for the good of collectors everywhere eh?

None of that jives with what the seller has said in the red forum, nor with his other ebay auctions. Doesn't fit with what he apparently told Dooby Rak via ebay message (see page 5 ot this thread).

Again, I don't care what he does with the roll or how much money he gets but that CTV story is a pretty tall tale.

@CC-Ottawa, I have the same feeling as well. The article reiterates that the rolls were sold and limited to 1 per customer. They probably did not check out his other sale with a box full of them.