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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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swamperbob:
Thanks for your educational input into this thread.
It is my hope that all of the rest of us have read your posts very carefully.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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This is a very interesting and informative thread. Looking at the original auction... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1856-O-Seat...047675.l2557...it might look a bit "off" but doesn't jump out as an obvious fake to me. Comparing the reverse letters to a genuine piece leaves no doubt and swamperbob sure knows his stuff!  eBay/PayPal will refund your money if the seller balks. Give the seller every chance to make it right first. They likely did not know it was a counterfeit. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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WOW RickK, that is a good observation.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
United States
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Thank you swamperbob for taking the time to lay out those details. Thanks to others for the comparative photos also. I've read a couple books on counterfeits and I've seen coins like this and thought to myself that they "looked wrong" (blocky / dull lettering) but it was a great read from someone who knew what they were looking at.
Thank you again.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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coinman_2000 is pretty good, I've gotten stuff there. I'd contact him first.
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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I did, and the coin is heading back over seas as we speak.
He did still guarantee the authenticity despite me pointing him to this thread.
He would send it in to ANACS, so we'll see what happens with it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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He would send it in to ANACS, so we'll see what happens with it. ANACS is definitely the go to company when you know you can't get PCGS to slab a coin. It is not that I do not trust ANACS but I question the ability of most graders except PCGS to spot forgeries consistently, ANACS has failed on many occasions to spot really deceptive fakes. Now that NGC is slabbing fakes too (I now own three) I think we are down to only ONE TPG that is anywhere near perfect in that respect. As a counterfeit collector who started collecting fake coins a decade before ANACS existed (53 years ago). I can say that PCGS is the only TPG that I have never found to have encapsulated a counterfeit. At least I have never discovered one. Not yet. But I am looking. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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PCGS isn't perfect either.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Conder101 Quote:
PCGS isn't perfect either. Have you got a slabbed counterfeit? I would love to see it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I've been trying to locate it and have't been able to, but somewhere I have image of a PCGS slab with an 1804 large cent in it that was actually an altered date made from an 1803 S-261 I also know of a case of a PCGS slab that made a sensation at an ANA convention awhile back because it had a new obv and rev die for I believe it was 1825. Eventually it was realized that the coin was actually a known contemporary counterfeit. I'm sure there are others. Fakes in PCGS slabs are rare, but they do exist. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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PCGS slabbed contemporary counterfeits are indeed rare. I am actually hunting for a contemporary counterfeit Mexican 8 Reales in a slab - so I know I may have a longer search than for any old counterfeit. I now own or know the whereabouts of a contemporary counterfeit Mexican 8 Reales in every other type of slab that I know of. PCGS is the only TPG that to my knowledge has NOT encapsulated a contemporary counterfeit 8R. Anyone on the forum who knows of one or hears of one - I would appreciate hearing about it. Photos will do but I would really love to own one. |
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United States
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I don't know much about counterfeit coins, so this has been a really informative thread.
@epikur, When examining the coin in hand, did the strike on the reverse or the weight seem "off" before you used magnification and a scale?
Is this a key date? I don't know the series, but looking at numismedia fmv, it doesn't seem so.
How common are counterfeit coins for non-key dates?
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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I bought it together with another seated liberty half, so it was when I handled the two coins I noticed it as the fake seemed slightly lighter then the other. That made me bring out the scale.
After that, I did notice the fat rim and went looking at slabbed halfs online.
After that, CCF
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Epikur, keep us posted. I bought my Civil War IHC from coinman_2000 and while it looks different from my other IHC, friend Google suggested this was because cents were made of different material during the war and thus were thicker. It's far too late for recourse if mine turns out to be a counterfeit (although I showed pics of it here and nobody suggested it was of uncertain provenance), but now I'm concerned. |
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