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Error 1977 Washington Quarter, 1943 Lincoln Wheat Steel Cent?

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 Posted 04/26/2007  7:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have some error coins I have come into contact with, and any info I can get on them, including value, would be appreciated.

Die Crack? :

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Off-Metal?:
(The coin is smaller in diameter and thinner than a normal quarter)

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 Posted 04/26/2007  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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What you have is a steel penny. Steel pennies were made during the war subsituting copper which was needed for the manufactering of arsenal. Steel pennies are common. On the reverse of your cent it appears to be a crack or there might have been an object on the planchet when this penny was struck. The observe appears to be the same or it may have made contact with another cent or penny planchet when it was struck. I'm no expert but it's what I think. Someone else will be along shortly either confirm this or tell you something else.
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 Posted 04/27/2007  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A steal cent that has been refinished or plated. you can tell by the orange peel look. you may still get a few cents for it. the quarter looks like it has been dipped in acid to make it smaller. some of the schools used to do it in chemistry class. it is worth whatever you can get for it but I doubt you will get a 1/4 for it if it has been left too long and got too small but you never know I have seen stranger things happen.
hope this helps answer your question
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 Posted 04/27/2007  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so you're telling me that there is an acid out there that is strong enough to eat through both sides of a quarter and leave JUST the copper, but gentle enough that it doesn't change even ONE detail on the coin? what would a quarter with missing layers, or off-metal look like?

thanks for the help guys.
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 Posted 05/07/2007  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garretterika to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hello tempest, in regard to your question about what a missing layer looks like, full strike detail can still be apparent but the weight will be lighter. the coin would have normal diameter but less thickness. the thickness change however might be hard to distinguish from a normal coin. I have seen coins that were eaten by acid. they are lighter, thinner, sometimes of lesser diameter. they can have very bad porous surfaces or surfaces that look somewhat normal with most of the details readily discernible. they can also eat away unevenly across the planchet and leave weird effects.
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 Posted 05/12/2007  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is always a possibility the quarter is missing the clad layer, but I don't think a missing clad layer looks like your quarter. Can you post a better picture?
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 Posted 05/12/2007  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah, let me go find my camera again. it might be a day or two. :p
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 Posted 05/13/2007  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will start with the quarter ,, a missing clad layer does not change the overall diameter of the coin .

This coin looks like it was found in the ground with a metal detector , perhaps in an area of high alkaline .

while your taking the new pics please include one of the edge of the coin.



the steel cent has IMO been replated , the lines on the obverse and reverse appear to be damage in the new plating, its hard to tell from the pic exactly what caused it , but I suspect that it was in the vat with other coins and they left a mark from the rims.

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 Posted 05/13/2007  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
alright, well, I should have another post coming tomorrow but I first wanted to ask:

A: IF my quarter happens to be missing clad layers, what would it be worth?
B: Is is possible its on a penny planchet? (i doubt this one)
C: What kind of side pic do you want? (the last pic has one)
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 Posted 05/14/2007  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tempest

Ok somehow I missed that pic ?

its not possible that it is on a cent planchet.

value for missing clad layer/s could be as high a couple of hundred bucks depending on the grade.

Your pics are not clear enough to grade from ,, can you take it to someone who can look at the coin in hand ?

I still think it looks like it is environmental corrosion of some kind ,but ?

How much smaller is it , what does it weigh ?



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 Posted 05/14/2007  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try to get that weight, Metalman. It IS lighter, but I cant tell how much. One pic shows that its SLIGHTLY smaller than a normal quarter.
Q: Isn't there like a press where the metals are pressed together, and when the ends dont come out to the same length, the excess is cut off? Is it possible this is a quarter from that excess metal? Or am I completely wrong here? :p

Okay, pics:

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 Posted 05/14/2007  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the last pictures better represent the coin ,,

the thickness is definitely a plus toward missing clad layers,, determining when that occurred will be key in authenticating the coin as an error.

either send it to anacs for authentication or take it to a coin show where it can be looked at by someone who is knowledgeable in errors .

the two dimensional view we have here is inadequate to authenticate it .

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 Posted 05/14/2007  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI, here is the obverse image of the missing-clad-layer quarter I posted previously in this section. This example was authenticated and slabbed by NGC. The copper surface is smooth with no pits or porosity. The diameter matches a regular quarter. As I recall, the weight of the coin was about 4.5 grams, compared to the standard weight for a clad quarter which is 5.67 grams.
Regarding Tempest's question, I think the clad layers start out as thick metal strips which are bonded together by rolling under great pressure. The rolling process is continued until the bonded strip reached the right thickness. Then they punch out coin blanks which proceed to the coining stage. If the original strips don't roll out to identical lengths, you have the possiblity of getting missing-layer blanks. If they're not detected, they'll get stamped along with all the normal blanks and may find their way into circulation. That's how I got mine!

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actually the clad layers are bonded to the core by explosion ,dynamite I believe is used since it is techniquely a down pressure explosive .

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 Posted 05/14/2007  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tempest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
okay, I can send it in to ANACS huh? where do I send it to, and in what? I'm not so sure, I definitely dont want this to 'get lost' in the mail.

also: is it odd that both sides of my coin are that color? AND I noticed there was no mint mark. arent quarters from Philly supposed to have a 'P'?
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05/15/2007 12:06 am
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Philly quarters of the date of this coin ,,did not have a mint mark .

Here is a link to Anacs,, just follow the outline for submission ,,I think you can even print the submission form from the web page.

http://www.anacs.com/

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