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Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6381 Posts	Posted 05/18/2007 3:48 pm Hello all, I remember reading on this forum that die clash marks are normally only found on the fields of coins. This made sense to me since the recessed sections of the dies (where the device images are engraved) shouldn't be able to contact the other die when a clash occurs. Nevertheless, I've seen some coin images that pretty clearly show clash marks on the devices. This 1833 quarter has dramatic marks on Liberty's neck which appear to be clash marks from the vertical shield bars on the reverse design. How can this happen? Does anyone have an explanation? I would like to understand this effect. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 05/18/2007 4:01 pm die clash marks can be on the devices as well in the fields, to understand it you have to understand what actually happened. A die clash mark is caused by the two dies (obverse and reverse dies) hitting together without a blank in between them, anywhere that actually made contact with each other will leave marks from that die on the other one. yours is a rather nice clash that I happen ti like allot but as I said a clash can be anywhere on the coin that the two dies strike after the clash itself Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 05/18/2007 4:10 pm remember on the shield there are the lines that are incuse and lines that are raised, in your particular case the lines that are raised more than that particular part of the neck is incuse on the obverse die and made contact with the neck and left the remanants of the lines on thge Obverse die and when the next coins were struck the lines showed up where they hit together Edited by Bryan1315 05/18/2007 4:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coppercoins Pillar of the Community United States 7629 Posts	Posted 05/18/2007 11:23 pm Sometimes the height of the center of a bust is about the same as the height of the fields, which is why clashes can happen there. Additionally, the mint workers generally looked in the field for marks and removed them there, but didn't bother with the bust. That's probably what happened on your coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6381 Posts	Posted 05/19/2007 10:27 am Thanks Bryan and Coppercoins, that makes sense. The clash marks are tucked into the shallowest portion of the bust design and I can see that area of the die would be nearly level with the fields. Liberty's jaw line and her hair curls are significantly higher-relief areas, which means the die engraving is deeper there. That explains why the shield clash doesn't extend to those areas. Very cool. By the way, I don't own this coin, but I am placing a bid. Maybe I'll get lucky! Report this Post to the Staff
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