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Why Would Somebody Report My Listings As Replica From CCF?

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 Posted 09/23/2013  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for clearing that up Sap


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P.S Sap I would not call them "EXPERTS" more like idiots


Hmm Swamper bob an Idiot, I doubt that very much

These people are simply trying to make ebay a safer place to buy coins and they have prevented many a shonky seller profiting from their dodgy sales.

OK they stopped your listings, Possibly to check and make sure that they were kosher.
You can now list them again

Jumping up and down, talking about suing and bagging people will get you absolutely nowhere at all.
ebay is a private business and nobody gets to "Vote" on how they run their business.
If you are unhappy with ebay then vote with your feet and take your business elsewhere, Nobody is "Forcing" you to use ebay.
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 Posted 09/23/2013  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow that hurt
if they were soo much of experts they would know what I sell is not counterfeit/replica. Also I am perusing to sue the person responsible for these false statements. ebay has been notified by my lawyer to release information about him. ;)
Thanks for the comment trout
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 Posted 09/23/2013  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So if I made a report with the link provided by CCF I wont see CCW in the message from ebay when the items are removed?

Yes, you probably would; but you would also see the reference to CCWG if someone clicked on the "Report Item" link on your listing, too, or if they reported your item in some other non-CCF-related fashion.

Here's how I understand ebay's counterfeit reporting system to work.

- The listing is reported - either by the CCF manual reporting link or one of the more automated reporting links elsewhere on ebay.
- An ebay Safety and Trust person examines the listing. If it's a clear-cut, open-and-shut-case policy breach, they presumably take action directly themselves. Likewise if it's clearly not a policy breach, then the report is ignored. The owner of the listed item never even knows somebody reported their item.
- If it is ambiguous, the Safety and Trust person forwards the item to the CCWG for their vote.
- CCWG members vote on whether it's a policy breach or not. It's this part I am uncertain of - what result of the voting causes an item to be pulled? Simple Majority? Absolute Majority? Two-Thirds Majority? Unanimous? Do you only need one "No" vote against it to cause an item to be pulled? Are the votes weighted in favour of certain experts who have proven to be better at that certain kind of counterfeit? You'll have to ask your new friend in Trust & Safety if they can inform you of this.
- Based on the CCWG vote, either the item is then pulled or the report is ignored.

You shouldn't be too hard on whoever reported it, or on the CCWG. ebay themselves have admitted their policy was sufficiently ambiguous and, as we saw earlier in the thread, Canadian law is likewise sufficiently ambiguous about this. It would indeed be nice to see if ebay really does clear up this ambiguity with some new or re-worded policies.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PawnS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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P.S Sap I would not call them "EXPERTS" more like idiots



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Also I am perusing to sue the person responsible for these false statements. ebay has been notified by my lawyer to release information about him. ;)


I think anyone reading this topic knows where the idiocy truly lies.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pawnS are you calling me a idiot?
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PawnS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you calling Swamperbob an idiot?
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no not him. Obviously I am upset about this but at the same time if some one called a professional cant differentiate a counterfeit/replica from the real thing just plated......
How would you feel in a situation like this? Knowing you are right and the person reporting you is not? How does the credibility of CCW look?
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I would never be in a position to "feel" anything. I wouldn't list that $2 garbage on ebay. Your having a nonsensical legal hissy fit over $2 listings. Please.
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wow that is a very rude comment
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PawnS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be. But think about it? You supposedly have lawyers, court orders, and lawsuits involved over a handful of $2 listings. You even plead your case and WON. Chill out for crying out loud before you have a heart attack.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nobody here is having a heart attack but you.. You seem very concerned about what I want to do... FYI They are selling at $9.99 not $2 but thanks for your comments..
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 Posted 09/24/2013  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what is your point ? Obviously actions are actions the prices are up and down some got away for cheap but a majority were high.. Also I noticed ever since you joined this site you have been very disrespectful toward the members here and as I recall a moderator made a comment about it..
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Seriously with that picture?


Are you making it your mission to follow this member around to disparage his imagery? 7 of your 9 posts in this forum have been for the express purpose of disparaging someone.

I totally agree with this moderator your posts have been disrespectful in some many ways.
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 Posted 09/24/2013  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I totally agree with this moderator your posts have been disrespectful in some many ways.


First: PawnS, you seem to prefer a confrontational style which is not in keeping with the standard we hold our membership to at CCF. During the next two weeks - the vacation I'm giving you from posting at Coin Community - I strongly urge you to reconsider whether you're an appropriate fit for a place which holds to a higher standard of discourse than you seem willing to follow. If you come back with as little respect as you have thus far displayed, I'll make you go away for good. It's that simple. You will not treat our members this way.

Second: Frankly, jkol2369, although I vehemently disagree with PawnS's choice of how to express himself, I don't disagree with what he's saying. You are drastically overreacting to this situation, throwing around lawyer talk over cheap coins. Have you never been wrong before?
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 Posted 09/24/2013  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jkol2369 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I don't think I am over reacting. Reason being today after I listed my items maybe about 1 hour later ebay Again removed my items because they received yet another almost identical complaint only this time claiming they are counterfeit.. They have relisted them and now are investigating the source of these complaints. Also I did mention getting a lawyer involved because this is now the second time this has happened and although it might be a small amount of money it still is my money... And yes I have been wrong before but I don't think I am wrong now.
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