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Again? Once is a mistake; twice is a fan club. Somebody has it out for you, and I'm thinking it's time ebay acted on your behalf, and figured out what's wrong in their system to allow this to happen. But attempting legal action over something this minor makes you a pretty unsympathetic character here.
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Personally, I'd really suggest not listing any more plated coins until ebay publishes their new policy, because otherwise whoever reported you will keep doing it, and different people working for ebay might keep pulling your listings. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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But attempting legal action over something this minor makes you a pretty unsympathetic character here. I agree Superdave you are right maybe I am over reacting. But at the same time I am very frustrated about this. I don't understand why someone has it out for me.... I am such a honest seller there has been times when people bid more the the $9.99 and I refunded them the difference. Quote:Personally, I'd really suggest not listing any more plated coins until ebay publishes their new policy, because otherwise whoever reported you will keep doing it, and different people working for ebay might keep pulling your listings. Well according to ebay they will not be removed again. But they already said that... lol Quote:
I cannot believe it 5 pages about some crappy gold plated coins and I have actually replied. Sorry you feel like that trout but nobody forced you to reply to this topic... Just saying... Edited by jkol2369
09/24/2013 10:02 am
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1st "All of these are illegal in Canada as they are altered. They are against ebay selling policy for Canadian coins. Remove them all please." 2nd "All of these items are against ebay selling policy for Canadian coins. They are illegal in Canada and altered. Hence counterfeit. " and today 3rd "These items are counterfeit. Against ebay selling policy for Canadian coins and illegal in Canada as altered (counterfeit).  |
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Also I did mention getting a lawyer involved because this is now the second time this has happened and although it might be a small amount of money it still is my money There is money involved, but unless you have a family member or friend willing to take your case for free all youre going to do is cost yourself more money. Even if you win any judgement in your favor wont begin to cover the cost of a lawyer |
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ok so now I have had a total of 5 reports.. only now he is saying our 2012 pennies are counterfeit and ebay has suspended our account.. You guys still think I should be sympathetic? |
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Nope, you are not over reacting. I think you need to talk to a lawyer. They are the only ones that can tell you if you have a case or not. There have been some pretty significant cases involving ebay sellers/buyers. Some of them into the millions. He/she shut down your business. You need to slap them down HARD. Teach them a lesson in civility and doing the right thing. |
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Quote:Nope, you are not over reacting. I think you need to talk to a lawyer. They are the only ones that can tell you if you have a case or not. There have been some pretty significant cases involving ebay sellers/buyers. Some of them into the millions. He/she shut down your business. You need to slap them down HARD. Teach them a lesson in civility and doing the right thing. The trouble is, the OP's business appears to be a practice which ebay has chosen to label "against their rules." I think that's bull, myself, but that's irrelevant and no law has been broken. If ebay doesn't want that stuff listed, the person reporting it has done nothing wrong and there's no legal recourse. I think the only wedge jkol2369 has is to inquire why ebay allows other sellers to offer the same thing he's not allowed to. I will say this, though, OP: Given that all your listings have been Private, it certainly presents the appearance that you might be considered a "supplier" (especially with your multiple repeat buyers) to those who might use your items for purposes less-honest than yours. It's always been my position that there's no real aboveboard justification for "Private" ebay sales. |
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Quote:Given that all your listings have been Private, it certainly presents the appearance that you might be considered a "supplier" (especially with your multiple repeat buyers) to those who might use your items for purposes less-honest than yours. It's always been my position that there's no real aboveboard justification for "Private" ebay sales. The reason is I respect my buyers privacy. I don't see anything wrong with having private listings. But I can assure you I will make the necessary changes and make the listings non-private being that that's how some people might feel. Thanks for that SsupeDdave. I think you make a good point there...  |
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"The trouble is, the OP's business appears to be a practice which ebay has chosen to label "against their rules." I think that's bull, myself, but that's irrelevant and no law has been broken. If ebay doesn't want that stuff listed" according to what jk said earlier that isn't the case though. "So after 10 days ebay has FINALY sided with me... ;) They told me I can relist all my items that were removed also that this will never happen again and they will send apology messages to all that were bidding when the items were removed. I'm really happy this is over with. P.S ebayis going to modify their rules about this matter so it does not affect me or other sellers alike again" |
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This topic is very important to me. Some person is out to stop all gold plated penny sales. He removed all my auction and when I kept relisting the person even removed my regular penny auctions. They removed items that were in no way in violation of the rules. If you try to contact ebay they just spin you in circles. The customer support person had no idea what I was talking about and have never even handled a penny. This watch group needs to be stopped and put under some sort of accountability. If you report me, justify your actions or pay the consequences. |
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My understanding is that ebay considers altered Canadian coins as counterfeit as directed by the law as explained to them ( ebay) by the RCMP. |
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I personally spoke with the RCMP, Mint and even local police and I was told a different sorry. Its not illegal to plate a Canadian coin as long as you don't have the wrong intentions. The RCMP only concern is Counterfeit's and production equipment the RCMP officer actually started laughing when I told him that ebay thinks I'm selling 2012 counterfeit pennies that were plated with gold or silver. With that being said I would love for somebody to prove me wrong about this being illegal and also show me the law. Niclsguy please show me this law you speak of? Also if you have the RCMP officers phone number PM it to me I would love to speak with him too. Edited by jkol2369
10/26/2013 11:27 am
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Let me start by saying that your intent is not in question IMO. Numerous times I have seen others attempt to sell plated coins of all denominations as mint errors. Yes people do get fooled by some. Here is where plated coins get caught up in counterfeit situation. Section 448. 448. In this Part, "counterfeit money" « monnaie contrefaite » "counterfeit money" includes (a) a false coin or false paper money that resembles or is apparently intended to resemble or pass for a current coin or current paper money, [...] (c) a genuine coin or genuine paper money that is prepared or altered to resemble or pass for a current coin or current paper money of a higher denomination, (d) a current coin from which the milling is removed by filing or cutting the edges and on which new milling is made to restore its appearance, (e) a coin cased with gold, silver or nickel, as the case may be, that is intended to resemble or pass for a current gold, silver or nickel coin, and (f) a coin or a piece of metal or mixed metals that is washed or coloured by any means with a wash or material capable of producing the appearance of gold, silver or nickel and that is intended to resemble or pass for a current gold, silver or nickel coin; If you forward your email address to me via pm I will send it to the one RCMP officer I know of who has talked to the crown and was responsible (working with ebay) to formulate the policy on ebay for Canadian coins. I am sure he will talk with you. The policy was well thought out and is a model which other country's are beginning to follow. In my opinion they could be used to successfully defraud someone. So they are counterfeit by definition. The rules are made for the bad people. Not the innocent like you in this case. The RCM could care less about Canadian circulating coinage or collectors. Are you going to get charged for plating pennies, probably not. But please think about the person who gets defrauded with the 1966 penny that he was told was on a dime planchet only to find it was plated. Yours just happen to be dated 2012. |
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