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castor Valued Member Canada 306 Posts	Posted 10/10/2013 6:40 pm Hi SPP Ottawa You tell: Once again, you missed my point completely ... Why do I bother to try .... If I completely missed my point I would like to know where and why. I only correct the error in the date in your message Report this Post to the Staff
castor Valued Member Canada 306 Posts	Posted 10/13/2013 8:01 pm TY tel: My reply in Numiscanada: I am appalled that Castor did not mention that all the information published in this post is the result of my research. I am appalled that he published without contacting me. Numismatics for me is a hobby, not a livelihood. I do it for fun. I did not had fun today. Hi TY You should read what you wrote at the beginning of this post and I made a rectification after this time. A pseudonym on a forum should not be translated. You melez "Castor" and "THE BEAVER" which are two different pseudonym on two different forums. Take the time to read what you wrote "graegaet" at the beginning and what I have done as grinding lower. . http://numicanada.com/forum/viewtop...?f=28&t=4552 ty a Ã©crit: Hi Gaetan ... and I am allophone â€" that means: both, my English and my French suck I frequently chat with "Castor" when we met at NUPHILEX â€" he is a great guy I could not talk to you Nuphilex because I never go. I hope you have the courage to say that you made a mistake by interpreting "CASTOR" and "THE BEAVER "which are two different pseudonyms. The rest will be on Numicanada. La suite sera sur NUMICANADA. Report this Post to the Staff
castor Valued Member Canada 306 Posts	Posted 10/13/2013 8:02 pm TY tel: My reply in Numiscanada: I am appalled that Castor did not mention that all the information published in this post is the result of my research. I am appalled that he published without contacting me. Numismatics for me is a hobby, not a livelihood. I do it for fun. I did not had fun today. Hi TY You should read what you wrote at the beginning of this post and I made a rectification after this time. A pseudonym on a forum should not be translated. You melez "Castor" and "THE BEAVER" which are two different pseudonym on two different forums. Take the time to read what you wrote "graegaet" at the beginning and what I have done as grinding lower. . http://numicanada.com/forum/viewtop...?f=28&t=4552 ty a Ã©crit: Hi Gaetan ... and I am allophone â€" that means: both, my English and my French suck I frequently chat with "Castor" when we met at NUPHILEX â€" he is a great guy I could not talk to you Nuphilex because I never go. I hope you have the courage to say that you made a mistake by interpreting "CASTOR" and "THE BEAVER "which are two different pseudonyms. The rest will be on Numicanada. La suite sera sur NUMICANADA. Report this Post to the Staff
noahs-numismatics Pillar of the Community Canada 3167 Posts	Posted 10/13/2013 8:47 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mysterious_dr_x Valued Member Canada 284 Posts	Posted 10/13/2013 11:25 pm I think this whole situation is a misunderstanding. To summarize: -At some point before september 2012, Ty researches on the 1996 german planchet. He discusses that variety with different collectors, including Louis Chevrier and a man he believes to be Castor. - In september 2012, Ty writes an article and has SPP review it in november 2012. - In January 2013, Castor posts on numicanada and discusses the german planchet, which he's been researching and playing with on his own, pulling of several cores and what not. - In october 2013, Ty has his article published, about a year after it was actually written. In this same thread, Castor points out rather boldly that he was discussing that variety several months ago, on numicanada. Ty gets mad because he is convinced the information posted in january on numicanada is coming mostly from his own research, which he shared with a man he believes to be Castor. Castor doesn't understand. Most people don't. Ty specifies that he shared the information with Castor, which is why he is mad. -Castor remembers a conversation on numicanada between another member and Ty, where Ty tells hims he met Castor and he's a swell guy. Shortly after, Castor posts on numicanada that he indeed communicated with Ty twice, that he was very helpful and generous of his time and knowledge, but it was about a die clash on a twoonie and he never actually met him in person. If that is accurate, it means Castor didn't steal ty's research. All he can be accused of is of trying to rub in the fact he posted information about the german planchet months before Ty's article was published, in a rather childish way, but not stealing his research without acknowledging him. I've known Castor virtually for a few years now, and he's an ethical person. This is what I get from the whole exchange here and on numicanada, in spite of the language barrier. Report this Post to the Staff
DBM Pillar of the Community Canada 9865 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 01:22 am I agree with mysterious_dr_x assessment of the situation,though I know neither participant. I also agree with the posters on Numicanada ,we would be appalled if someone posted a rant in French on this forum.Francophone members here always post to the best of their ability in english.Intellectual property issues aside it was in very poor taste to rant in english on the francophone forum. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website Edited by DBM 10/14/2013 01:23 am Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 12:32 pm For me, it was not the language issue... it was the intent of the post. I am perfectly fine with sharing of research and photos, but putting the date in bold and underlined font, along with a link to a thread that has posts from the same CCF poster, that proclaims that it was put up in another forum 9 months earlier, was just in poor taste in my opinion. Especially if castor already knew that it was independent research. Why not just state, "Good article. There are additional photos here <insert link> along a similar line of research I have been doing" It hijacked the intent of the original thread here on CCF... obviously.... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Edited by SPP-Ottawa 10/14/2013 12:35 pm Report this Post to the Staff
castor Valued Member Canada 306 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 1:11 pm Hello In addition there has written here, "Ty" also wrote this on Numicanada. [quote="TY"]6 to 7 years ago I TOLD Castor ( and Louis Chevrier, and others) about the differences of the planchets . I Showed the cores , the blanks and all other evidences I had. Castor published MY MY research and data without Acknowledging . Castor usurped my intellectual property and do not have the bravery to just post something to Reflect That he learn all this from me . Simple as that . [/quote] Hello TY I became aware of your message when I return to the cottage Sunday 13 October 2013 . And you continue to tarnish my reputation by continuing to assert that you speak to me in person in the presence of Louis Chevrier and others , explaining your research . Considering: You wrote in a reply privately message " Greatgaet " and you gave him permission to post your message on Coins and Canada . This was done Monday, October 13, 2008 2:35 PM in this post : http://numicanada.com/forum/viewtop...?f=28&t=4552 Hi Gaetan I am ... and allophone - that means clustering : both , my English and my French suck I frequently chat with "Beaver " when we met at Nuphilex - he is a great guy Considering: I realized while reading the above that there was a mistake on the person. So I made a correction Monday, October 13, 2008 7:07 PM to clarify the situation in the same message as above . Hi greatgaet I just want a small development for the benefit of all and that there is no misunderstanding . I do not know what you put in your preamble your PM is Ty , but I feel it took me to "The Beaver " is a very active participant in the forum " Canadian corner (CLS) " and Ty is also . Considering: I 've never seen or talked to a salon " Nuphilex " and especially in the presence of Louis Chevrier I met only twice in my life and it was at the meetings of the members of Coins and Drummondville in 2009 and 2010. Plus I 've never been to a salon " Nuphilex " . Considering: I also worked in a study for the two Canadian dollars in general since the summer of 2010 and saw that the party on the difference of two dollars in 1996 " Germany and MRC " was completed , so I answered the questions asked here: http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...f=28&t=18101 For this message the Friday, January 18, 2013 8:25 PM : http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...8204&start=0 Considering: I became aware of your research for the first time by reading your article in the October 2013 Journal of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association . Considering: You accuse me of plagiarism of your work on the following forums: http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...8204&start=0 and https://goccf.com/t/158529&whichpage=2 In consideration of the foregoing : I ask you to recognize that you 've got the wrong person ("CASTOR" vs "THE BEAVER" or other ) and apologize for tarnishing my reputation by accusing me of plagiarizing your work. PS : The full message is posted on Numicanada and Coin community and family . In Freench now [quote="TY"]Il y a 6 Ã 7 ans j'ai dit Castor a (et Louis Chevrier, et autres) sur les diffÃ©rences entre les flans. J'ai montrÃ© les Ã¢mes, les blancs et toutes les autres Ã©vidences que j'avais. Castor a publiÃ© mes recherches et mes donnÃ©es sans me reconnaÃ®tre. Castor a usurpÃ© ma propriÃ©tÃ© intellectuelle et n'a pas le courage de simplement poster quelque chose pour reflÃ©ter ce qu'il a appris tout cela de moi. C'est aussi simple que cela. [/quote] Bonjour TY J'ai prit connaissance de votre message Ã mon retour du chalet Dimanche le 13 oct. 2013. Et vous continuez Ã ternir ma rÃ©putation en continuant d'affirmer que vous m'avez parlez en personne en prÃ©sence de Louis Chevrier et d'autres, en m'expliquant votre travail de recherche. ConsidÃ©rant: Vous avez Ã©crit ce qui suit dans une rÃ©ponse en message privÃ© Ã "Greatgaet" et vous lui avez donnÃ© la permission de publier votre message sur Numicanada. Ce qui fut fait le lundi 13 octobre 2008 2:35 PM dans ce message: http://numicanada.com/forum/viewtop...?f=28&t=4552 Hi Gaetan ... and I am allophone - - " that means: both, my English and my French suck I frequently chat with "Castor" when we met at NUPHILEX - - " he is a great guy ConsidÃ©rant: Je me suis rendu compte en lisant ce qui prÃ©cÃ¨de qu'il y avait erreur sur la personne. J'ai donc fait une rectification le lundi 13 octobre 2008 7:07 PM pour clarifier la situation dans le mÃªme message que ci-haut. Bonsoir greatgaet Je veux juste faire une petite mise au point au bÃ©nÃ©fice de tous et pour qu'il n'y ait pas de malentendu. Je ne sais quel prÃ©ambule ta as mit dans ton P.M. a Ty, mais j'ai l'impression qu'il m'a prit pour " The Beaver " qui est un participant trÃ¨s actif sur le forum " Canadian coin (CCRS)" et Ty y est aussi. ConsidÃ©rant: Je ne vous ai jamais vu ou parlÃ© Ã un salon "NUPHILEX" et surtout en prÃ©sence de Louis Chevrier que j'ai rencontrÃ© seulement deux fois dans ma vie et ce fut lors des rencontres des membres de Numicanada Ã Drummondville en 2009 et 2010. En plus je n'ai jamais Ã©tÃ© Ã un salon "NUPHILEX". ConsidÃ©rant: Je travaillais aussi dans une Ã©tude pour le deux dollars Canadien en gÃ©nÃ©ral depuis l'Ã©tÃ© 2010 et vu que la partie touchant la diffÃ©rence des deux dollars 1996 "Allemagne et MRC" Ã©tait complÃ©tÃ©e, j'ai donc rÃ©pondu aux questions demandÃ©es ici: http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...f=28&t=18101 Par ce message du vendredi 18 janvier 2013 8:25 PM: http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...8204&start=0 ConsidÃ©rant: J'ai prit connaissance de votre recherche pour la premiÃ¨re fois en lisant votre article dans le journal d'octobre 2013 de l'Association royale de numismatique du Canada. ConsidÃ©rant: Vous m'accusez de plagiat de vos travaux sur les forums suivant: http://www.numicanada.com/forum/vie...8204&start=0 et https://goccf.com/t/158529&whichpage=2 En considÃ©ration ce qui prÃ©cÃ¨de: Je vous demande de reconnaÃ®tre que vous vous Ãªtes trompÃ© de personne (CASTOR vs THE BEAVER ou autres) et de vous excusez d'avoir terni ma rÃ©putation en m'accusant d'avoir plagiÃ© vos travaux. PS: Ce message intÃ©gral est publiÃ© sur Numicanada et Coin community family. Edited by castor 10/14/2013 1:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mysterious_dr_x Valued Member Canada 284 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 2:21 pm To SPP, regardless of the original intent, there were some pretty harsh and in the end, unjustified words/accusations used by Ty. Report this Post to the Staff
rmc Valued Member Canada 478 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 2:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10460 Posts	Posted 10/14/2013 3:29 pm Quote: To SPP, regardless of the original intent, there were some pretty harsh and in the end, unjustified words/accusations used by Ty. You will note that my comments only refer to the original post. The subsequent outcome resulted from that, and I am not in a position to say if they were justified or not. None of the fallout would have likely happened, if the approach had been more constructive (as the example I wrote in italics, above)... There is nothing wrong with parallel lines of independent research, and it can even be very beneficial, if egos don't get in the way... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
za75 Valued Member Canada 402 Posts	Posted 10/15/2013 11:19 am @ t_y, castor said : " I ask you to recognize that you have got the wrong person ( "CASTOR" VS "THE BEAVER" or other ) and apologize for tarnishing my reputation by accusing me of plagiarize your work ". Like some members of coincommunity and numicanada, I wait your answer...... Report this Post to the Staff
rmc Valued Member Canada 478 Posts	Posted 10/15/2013 12:01 pm Really? Wow Report this Post to the Staff
Zonad Pillar of the Community Canada 1472 Posts	Posted 10/15/2013 12:14 pm I'd like to see both individuals apologize for misunderstandings or rubbing nose in posts. (The post that started the whole thing was a rubbing nose in post IMHO) Forgive, forget and move on so we all can continue sharing info. Report this Post to the Staff
Zonad Pillar of the Community Canada 1472 Posts	Posted 10/15/2013 2:00 pm And in case I offended either or any, please consider this to be my heartfelt apology. Report this Post to the Staff
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