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 Posted 10/11/2013  1:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add johnqa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone,

I need some help identifying some ancient coins that I have.

The first one is a Byzantine coin. It looks like it's from the era of Romanus IV or Michael VII, but I haven't been able to find online an identical coin.

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The second one is perhaps a Pontos coin, though I'm not sure.
It looks to me like it depicts a fort and a person in a box, but I could be wrong and looking it the wrong way.

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The third one I think is a Roman coin with a cow depicted on it.

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I have a few others that I haven't been able to identify and I would very much appreciate any help or direction you can give me.

Thank you
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The only coin that I can really comment on is the Byzantine one. If this coin is real it would be a extremely rare example of Michael VII half follis SB 1880A. I just can't be sure that it is real from the picture.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnqa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for your reply.

I don't doubt that it's real. If you want me to photograph something in particular, I will be happy to oblige.
It does look like the design of Michael VII or Romanus IV, but he doesn't hold the labarum in one hand and the globe in the other hand. I saw that sometimes coins are overstruck over older coins, but I don't know if it's the case here. This coin looks very fine and legible.

The second coin is very interesting as well, at least to know what is depicted, I'm just guessing at this point.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where these found in Israel? The dry earth there would explain the coin being preserved so well.
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 Posted 10/11/2013  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pat44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Beautiful byzantine coin the first one. Love the stare on both sides, very penetrating.

The second coin I think that's the head of Tyche. Look for Phoenician coins on wildwinds and you'll come
across some very close coins to yours.

The third one look a Phoenician coin too to me. Maybe struck in Berytus(beirut, Lebanon now).
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i like that byzantine..echizento is the man on those.

cool countermark there on your second coin...that does look like tyche doesn't it? the the other side almost looks like a byzatine figure standing...strange but cool coin.
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The second coin looks like Brockage. The detail of the Tyche is incuse rather than "proud".
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 Posted 10/12/2013  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Third coin I believe is the scary Greek Gorgoneion from Parium,Mysia but I believe they should be silver, is yours silver?

See here: http://www.coinproject.com/search_c...MYSIA&type=1

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 Posted 10/12/2013  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnqa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the leads, it would take me a while to follow through on them and see if I find a match.
I will let you know if I do.

Someone passed a small collection to me and I'm trying to identify the ones that are not yet identified.
Sadly, I don't know where they were found. I'm only asking about coins that I had trouble identifying.
I have Phocas, Maurice Tiberius, Constans II, etc. coins that were much easier to identify, so I guess they are not that rare. Perhaps the first coin is rare, I just thought someone must have seen one before and would know exactly what it is.

How do I know if a coin is silver and not bronze without a special machine. I noticed gold and silver coins usually have larger margins, so I believe none of the ones I have is silver or gold.
I should note that I played with the contrast and brightness of the pictures, so it was easier to see.
The coins are a darker black and I don't want to risk cleaning or applying any treatment to them.
The pictures are not the best quality, I haven't mastered the art yet, the details are clearer than in the pictures when you hold the coins in your hand.

I have some Pontus coins and the second coin looked like it could be Pontus due the material, but obviously I was mistaken and now I have leads that will help me find it. If it's a Brockage, I guess it will make it harder, since I don't know what's the original image and what's the later one.

The condition of these is great, so it's easier to know what to look for. I have some coins that it would be a much harder task to identify, because of the condition.

Here's a few that I can still make:

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Looks like a palm tree, but I haven't managed to find something exactly like it.

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Looks like a head on one side and a man in a cape on the other.

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I've seen this head before, but on the other side there a figure, perhaps and angel in a dress. Sorry the picture is not very good, it should be much clearer.

Thank you for all your assistance.
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I believe you are correct on the Tyche head, the brockage image threw me off. Does it make the coin more valuable?

The head looks like the Arados, Phoenicia coins design, but I'm not sure about the other side, haven't found a match yet.

As for the third coin, it does look like Gorgoneion design, though I'm not sure which one and whether it's silver and I see the Phoenician also have similar bull design.

Thanks again

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 Posted 10/12/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second coin in your latest batch I believe is a Roman provincial of Caracalla from Nicaea, Bythnia.

The hooded figure on the reverse is Telesphoros who was a sort of agent or assistant to the popular cult of Aesklepios of that time

Similar coin here though not likely an exact match: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=222050
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You're quite good as this! I thought it was a priest in some cult, like you see on TV.

I've made good progress with your help. Thank you.
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I quickly photographed another very fine coin.
I believe it's Roman and it would be easy to identify because of the great detail.

I would appreciate the help.

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I think it's either Hadrian or Claudius, but I haven't been able to recognize the temple, could the coin be silver?
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The coin appears to be Roman provincial, but I'm not able to read the reverse legend to tell what province.

You should start a new thread whenever you add another coin. You have a better chance of more people looking at a new thread rather than the old one.
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Thanks, I didn't want to flood the forum with threads, people might
not take it kindly.

I took the photos with a flash, as it was nighttime, maybe
I'll re-shoot.

I found a photo of a coin with similar temple, sadly with no reference
to the source.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/imag..._huj_226.jpg

I thought it would help if I knew what temple it is.
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