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Thinking Of Sending My Boc Hoard Gold Coins To CCCS

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 Posted 11/21/2013  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your comments, 'Moose. I don't know man, as I mentioned previously, one of the capsules has real quality control issues. The actual coin is nice, but the capsule has a loose coin inside, there are internal scratches on the plastic around where the rim of the coin touches the capsule, there are some black foam disintegration happening around the rim of the coin due excessive movement of the coin, and worst of all, one of the holographic stickers was placed a little too low on the capsule, so 1/3rd of this sticker is sort of dangling in the air and trying to catch my finger and break the seal every time I hold the capsule. This is a $5 coin.

I thus have to hold the coin like holding a delicate flower being careful not to shed the petals and hence can't enjoy this coin much; having it in a coffin would allow me to treat it a bit more "harshly".

My $10 from 1913 is fine, except for that an edge of one of the holographic stickers is placed on the raised plastic seal (check any RCM capsule with your fingers and you will find one or two small raised sections where the two parts of the capsule is melted/hot glued shut). This sticker is a bit less problematic, but still a bit annoying.

My $5 from 1914 is just fine except for some marks on the inner-side of the capsule around the rim; I won't send it for grading.

So... you see why I'm willing to go ahead with this, no? I must send the $5 from 1913 before the seal breaks, but you got me confused about the $10
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 Posted 11/21/2013  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nah, I'll be sending the two from 1913 anyway. I mean, I luv to fondle my coins. Also, we all know how "durable" most RCM packaging/inserts are. Finally, from a reverse engineering POV, the *only* thing that I will be destroying are the stickers, which are super vulnerable and are the weakest part of the link anyway!

Thanks for all your inputs; the decision has been taken. Now please vote on a qualifier for the comment section.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, so far 2 votes only , both for: "Canadian Gold Standard (2012 Release)" -- from DBM and me.

Come on guys, help me out here...
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 Posted 11/21/2013  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm very sorry, osmiumblue!

I didn't read the whole thread properly and missed the part about the poor state of some of your capsules. This makes it quite understandable as to why you would want your coins in a sturdy slab so you can enjoy handling them without fear.

You're not the first person to report that their BoC hoard coins arrived loose in the capsules or that the hologram stickers were applied in a very sloppy fashion. It's a shame that there wasn't more quality control involved.

Anyway, I now think you should do whatever makes you feel the most comfortable with your beauties.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again my apologies, but I like this one:

4) "Canada's First Gold Coins"
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 Posted 11/21/2013  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem 'Moose-man, and thank you for your vote. That's a good one too.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Emailed the above options and heard back from Louis; he proposed and chose: "Bank of Canada 2012 Release". In any case, I'm hoping to mail my coins soon. I will report back when I have them back. Thanks all and regards!
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 Posted 11/27/2013  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some updates :

1) I've decided to slab all three coins -- the RCM packaging are simply amateurish; haven't got a chance to send them in yet.

2) But I'm somewhat uneasy about this (CCCS) now. I mean the grading, the slabs, the cost, and the service are all good. But what I said above about CCCS being a business with potential to growth was probably the pills talking. Yes, they have a website, online verification, and population report; but I now strongly believe these are rarely updated. Also, the lack of varieties listed in the pop-count is rather frustrating. The lack of adequate exposure to the world (other than the recent ICCS cross graded offerings by Colonial Acres is also frustrating.

All these in addition to the conservative grades and lower resell price... hmm...
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 Posted 11/27/2013  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prismatic Spray to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IF you are going to send them to PCGS or NGC, I would recommend going through a dealer acting as an official agent for those grading firms. Sending valuable coins across the border has gotten to be a real headache recently.
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 Posted 11/27/2013  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moejaber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i would go with NGC. A bit costly but they have the best holders and I love their label.I bought a membership and sent my coins for grading,very fast service (5 days and they are shipped out) and they update you with the status of your coins. The shipping is fast and secure and you wont have any issues with customs as long as your mark them as being sent for professional grading, NGC always writes in the customs declaration that they are returning it to owner.
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 Posted 11/27/2013  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Man, I feel like such an hypocrite .

@Spray: I'm having a hard time finding a dealer in GTA. Everyone (authorized dealer listed on PCGS site) I called/emailed says that they don't do it anymore, and that I should send them directly. Also FYI (since someone advised this previously), Cdncoin does not offer this service either. I will have to keep looking I guess, unless one of you help me out.

@moejaber: Thanks, I'll give it a consideration.

Now back to the CCCS vs. PCGS debate: while I too was buying the stricter technical grading standards, I'm not too sure now that I think of it. I don't work in a museum, and will much prefer a nice looking (w.r.t eye appeal) coin than a very similar but slightly well preserved and potentially ugly looking one! In fact I believe most will agree with me, even among ICCS/CCCS fans. So I don't understand the Canadian grading fuss...
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 Posted 11/27/2013  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you are sending to PCGS by yourself. use FedEx only and insure it documents for its return. other scenario is to have ICCS grade them first, if they are not ms 64 or better why bother, as you can see from the PCGS, NGC website there are vast number of these coins in ms 63, 64.
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 Posted 11/27/2013  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fedex will not insure coins.

If sending Fedex, then you have to contact a third party company for insuring.

Try ParcelPro.

The insurance isn't that expensive, but ParcelPro insists the Fedex has to be sent 'overnight express' (which is expensive).
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 Posted 11/27/2013  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Yikes, things are looking very expensive again, reminds me of why I started this thread in the first place.
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 Posted 11/27/2013  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Thanks guys. Yikes, things are looking very expensive again, reminds me of why I started this thread in the first place.


Yes, for us Canadians sending coins to the US grading companies is very expensive and frustrating for the following reasons:

1. if you are opting for insurance, the cost will be north of $100.
2. expensive return costs (PCGS's rates)
3. expensive grading costs (when compared to ICCS)
4. extremely long grading wait times
5. possible unfair duty taxes when returning to Canada
6. when you receive your grades, you're going to be highly disappointed at all the 'bodybags' for very marginal problems.

For me, I'm sticking with the low cost, reliable and non-stress process of having ICCS grade the coins.
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