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Thinking Of Sending My Boc Hoard Gold Coins To CCCS

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 Posted 11/27/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cspence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cant speak for CCCS but from my experience ICCS and PCGS grade gold coins VERY differently.
Might be why we have so many NGC/PCGS Gold coins hitting the market, all the dealers that bought from the mint knew a coin that looked like an ICCS MS62 would grade MS64 down south...

Most recently I purchased a ICCS graded USA 1904 quarter eagle as AU58.. Sent it to PCGS and it got slabbed as a MS65...
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 Posted 11/27/2013  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good points, doubleEagle'.

Wow, from AU to a 65! That's unbelievable!
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 Posted 11/28/2013  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Most recently I purchased a ICCS graded USA 1904 quarter eagle as AU58.. Sent it to PCGS and it got slabbed as a MS65...


This just shows how subjective coin grading actually is. It's certainly not very scientific.

@ osmiumblue

Perhaps it would be easier and a lot less costly to arrange with the RCM to re-capsule your coins with the damaged capsules and seals. I'm pretty sure this can be done. You just have to speak to the right person. If you are a Master Club member and have your own assigned representative, he/she would be a good place to start.
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 Posted 11/28/2013  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
why not NGC? NGC is good too
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 Posted 11/29/2013  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
'Moose, my recent thoughts were more in line with your earlier suggestion: keep it as is (and may be not fondle it much). But this is a good idea too, although I didn't buy one of the capsules with problems directly from the mint.

@mkman123: I know NGC is good too, but ain't both PCGS and NGC suffer from the same issues (see the list by doubleEagle'), in particular for cross-border submissions?
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 Posted 11/29/2013  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unless you have a top of population grade coin or a rare coin that needs a broader US or world market appeal there is no need for NGC or PCGS slabs. If your gold coins grade above ms 64 it will be worth sending to PCGS and use secure plus service. It cost about 200.00 to slab a single coin at Pcgs, lots of insurance and shipping fees.
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 Posted 11/30/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UPDATE

So people, I exchanged quite a few long emails with Louis during the past few days, learned some about the history, investments, and future-plans of the company, and I'm now convinced that CCCS is indeed a progressive and sustainable business (potential investors take note, seriously!).

I am convinced enough to happily submit all my Canadian coins to them, and I strongly suggest Canadians/collectors of Canadian coins to support them as well.

P.S. They are now working on the issues with their website/pop-report. I now see what people meant when they mentioned that CCCS is a company accountable to its customers.

P.P.S. No, I didn't get a job offer from them
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11/30/2013 8:12 pm
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 Posted 12/01/2013  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prismatic Spray to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you talked to any of the more prominent coin dealers about CCCS? It might be worth getting their opinion as well... just saying'...
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 Posted 12/01/2013  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good idea. Can you list some names?
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 Posted 12/02/2013  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm waiting for 3 more (unrelated) coins to arrive before sending them all to CCCS.

Have a good look before I send the two from 1913 off to CCCS. Note the protruding/messed-up sticker on the $5 from '13 (the one that's on top of the catalog; see in between 1 to 2 o'clock of the capsule rim).

Also a lot of musings in the description section, as if I'm an expert on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBry-rbTFa8

[This is my first real YouTube video using a cheap P&S camera, so please excuse any mistakes, like the usual issues, plus glove lints on the '14 capsule, etc. HD works best]

Enjoy!

P.S.: I'm keeping my $5 from '14 intact for now.
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12/02/2013 2:37 pm
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 Posted 12/12/2013  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update: sent both gold coins from 1913 along with a few other coins (also from 1913, cut out of newer ICCS flips) to CCCS today. These won't be the first BoC hoard gold pieces to be graded by CCCS, but no pedigree was assigned for the earlier ones, so these will be the first identifiable ones in CCCS slabs.
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 Posted 12/12/2013  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moejaber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
show us pics when you get em back! oh and great video!
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 Posted 12/13/2013  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, moejaber! Will do.
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 Posted 02/01/2014  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add osmiumblue to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And they are back! Other than the turnaround time, I am very happy with the final products. Both coins were conservatively graded at MS-62 (I've seen worse PCGS MS-63s, but I am not complaining). I also like their slabs very much! The plastic is more transparent and thus the coins look better/clearer in them compared to RCM capsules; I still have one in a capsule and I did actually compare them. Also, there is a window on the top-side of the slab that allows you to view the coin's info without removing it from storage/stack.

I believe these are the first CCCS graded coins to have the "Gold, Bank of Canada 2012 Release" pedigree! Here are some photos:


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 Posted 02/02/2014  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add torgemco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice (imo)
would it be rude asking your all in
cost.for these two coins
thanks in advance
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