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Opinions: Is America Ready For A Brown Nickel?

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 Posted 01/18/2014  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groszy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Which do you see as easier to get the public to swallow....say bye bye to the cent and nickel but have your $50,000 in the bank still read $50,000 on Monday OR keep the cent and nickel and move the economy decimal and have everyone's $50,000 read $5,000 on Monday?

Turkey, 2005: Redenomination, 1,000,000 Old = 1 New
Romania, 2005: Redenomination, 10,000 Old = 1 New
Poland, 1995: Redenomination, 10,000 Old = 1 New
Belgium, 1999: Monetary Union, 40.3399 Old = 1 Euro
Etc.

Many nations have done it, and it works. People would adapt.


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Also, there's not enough gold to do that.

Who says there'd need to be enough gold to a)convert all existing USD (10 Trillion) into gold or b)have enough gold for everyone in the world?

The only reason we left the gold standard was the US went bankrupt in 1933. The big purpose of precious metal backed currency is to prevent the current fiat mass printing of it (since, you can only mint enough gold or silver coin as there is gold or silver), it is possible to bring back (and it's possible to supplement it with other precious metals) to allow more cash to be produced if needed. Think Muammar Gaddafi's Gold Dinar that would have destroyed every currency on the planet.
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 Posted 01/18/2014  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Groszy....you neglected to address the point I made...

U.S. currency is currently the world reserve currency. We cannot just move the decimal place as easily as other countries. We move the decimal place and so must the rest of the world, our currency does not move independently like other smaller nations.
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 Posted 01/18/2014  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Who says there'd need to be enough gold to a)convert all existing USD (10 Trillion) into gold or b)have enough gold for everyone in the world?

Um... me. Right now I think the amount of gold on the planet is worth 6 trillion, and the world economy is worth about 85 trillion (and yes the US economy is also worth more than 6 trillion). Basically, how are you going to fit all that into 6 trillion of gold? You'd have to lower the value of every currency by a huge amount... which is inflation...

This gold stuff is just fetishism. There is nothing relevant about it any more (bitcoin is even worse because it's an up-and-coming fetish and it's not shiny). Same thing with the nickel and penny: they are losing money. If you were running a business, would you let two cashiers steal everything that comes into the till if the other two cashiers (along with two retired cashiers who are rarely seen) are diligent and good workers? No! It's absolute wastage and you can't defend it without just coming out and saying "I, personally, enjoy the penny and nickel from a numismatic point of view", because from every other point of view the penny is a dirty nuisance and the nickel is an ugly nuisance.
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 Posted 01/18/2014  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The current value of gold in trillions is an irrelevant number. When a currency/economy is backed by gold, by neccesity the value of gold is then fixed at some arbitrary number. You can literally choose any dollar amount you wish per ounce at the time the conversion occurs. You could say that gold is worth $10,000 and ounce. From then on gold would never go up or down..the investment potential of gold itself would evaporate. With that would also nessecitate the rounding up of all the privately held gold like was done in 1933. Could it be done, absolutely....would it be easy....absolutely not. That is why bitcoin has an advantage....there is nothing to "round up" to wipe the slate clean.
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 Posted 01/18/2014  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only reason we left the gold standard was the US went bankrupt in 1933. The big purpose of precious metal backed currency is to prevent the current fiat mass printing of it (since, you can only mint enough gold or silver coin as there is gold or silver), it is possible to bring back (and it's possible to supplement it with other precious metals) to allow more cash to be produced if needed.


Supplementing it with anything else makes doing so in the first place pointless. The whole idea is to have a limit on how much money can be spent, supplementation takes away that limit defeating the purpose. It sounds like a great idea until you realize things happen and you arent going to stick to that anyway. Like mentioned that doesn't even get into the fact its not possible with the amount of money and people in the world today.

Going bankrupt on the gold standard also shows why its a bad idea and not going to happen. You have absolutely no wiggle room when things go bad and every nation in history has ended up reducing the pms in their money or coming up with bills and goldless money when they needed too which again makes the whole exercise pointless.

Metals dont give money value, military might does. You look throughout history and the most valuable/most sought after/most accepted currencies were always the military powers of their time. Their money continued to have value regardless of what it was made of until their military lost its power.

Saying a microscopic fleck of gold backs this dollar doesn't make money any more valuable.
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 Posted 01/19/2014  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No one would round down. Why would they round down? Rounding down makes businesses loose money, rounding up is more revenue.

Because most businesses use cash registers.

Electronic registers now a days already have software in them that does the rounding automatically (It is just a matter of selecting the proper settings.) and it rounds up and down. Now you don't have to use the rounding function, but in that case you have to look your customer right in the eye and ask for more money than the cash register says they owe. Then explain to each of them why you are overcharging them. And if I am your competitor and I DO use roundingmy prices end up being lower than yours and I start taking business away from you.
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 Posted 01/19/2014  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still say, if we are going to keep the cent and the nickel, the U.S. government should reissue the 2 cent coin, (or double penny, double cent, whatever tou want to call it) This way, even though the government would STILL NOT come out ahead, they would still be spending less money on minting so many cents, and possibly slightly releive nickel production as well. We would just have to get the same cash drawers for cash regesters like Bm0ney has in their avatar with the 8 coin slots, then we could even use the half, the $1 coin and a $2 coin that way (1c, 2c, 5c, 10c, 25c, 50c, $1, $2.)

Also, if vendors are in fact, going to have to replace coin mechs and other parts, I really think they should have to make those machines able to accept and dispense halves. Speaking of which, why does the U.S. Mint never mention changing the composition of the half or the dollar coin whenever they talk about changing coin metal compositions? They always just mention the penny, nickel, dime, and quarter.

Anyway, does anyone else here feel that the idea of a reissued 2 cent coin might lower the coin of 1 and 5 cent production? I believe that the Euro has a 2 cent coin. Whther it circulates or not, I'm not sure, but it would be wirth a shot for the government to trying getting 2 cent coins back into circulation.

Just my 2 cents (litrally )
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01/19/2014 5:47 pm
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