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It's 4.38 grams. That's on the light side for a Flying Eagle which should be around 4.67 grams.
That's not "on the light side;" it's a huge red flag which should be an immediate alarm bell. Far, far out of tolerance, especially for an apparently Mint State coin. The coin fooled me too, but had I known the weight I'd have called attention to it instantly. |
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If the seller didn't ask to see any of the documentation you got from NGC, then I think he knew it was fake. If I were you I'd ask him to reimburse you for part (or all) of your grading fees. What do you have to lose. Put the ball in his court.
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The seller's actions concern me. Although they can be interpreted as honesty, by quickly refunding the buyer with no questions asked, the other alternative is that this seller is an experienced scammer tying desperately to protect their feedback and avoid all traces of untrustworthiness by quickly refunding. Personally I think that the seller knew exactly what they were selling since they didn't question the TPG results on a fairly expensive sale. I think that the collecting community needs to give this ebay seller additional scrutiny, to make sure that they aren't importing counterfeits on a larger scale. This is a wake up call, I didn't suspect this result at all from the original topic. It looked like a very nice coin that sold at a bargain price. I think we all need to be more vigilant in studying fakes. Edited by Joe2007
05/08/2014 9:04 pm
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I don't think the OP ever mentioned the seller's ebay handle. Are they are large seller of numismatic items? |
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the seller has sold so few coins for more than $20 that I believe this would be an isolated instance. Any feedback of a counterfeit would be disastrous to any coin seller, so any seller would have huge motivation to close a case as soon as possible.
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Seller? Did I miss something? What is sellers handle please?
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I would encourage list members not to be too quick in jumping on the seller or questioning his motives in refunding my money and not wanting the coin back. In the original auction the seller simply stated it was an 1857 Flying Eagle cent. The photo wasn't good and he made no claims on the grade. As the buyer I trust that he's telling me the truth. In his email to me he seemed truly apologetic and aghast that the coin was not real. I listed his selling ID on ebay in my post in order to hold him up as someone I have found to be honest and willing to quickly rectify a bad situation. I did not mean for people to suddenly question his integrity. Perhaps I'm being naive in this, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I joined CCF early in 2014 because several coins I had listed on ebay were flagged as fakes by CCF members and pulled from ebay. My reputation was quickly questioned with a couple of group members suggesting I should be reported to ebay as a seller of multiple fake coins. Only after I had the coins in question examined by several respected CCF members was the matter resolved and the coins were shown to be authentic (although poorly photographed), but it was an emotional drain on me. I urge people to be patient and not too quick to judge this seller. I think it was an honest mistake by someone who didn't realize the coin wasn't real. I certainly didn't realize it wasn't real. If I had I wouldn't have spent the money to send it to NGC. Paul Bulgerin
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Perhaps I was a little too harsh. Appears to be a small time ebay seller, not a regular vest-pocket dealer on ebay. That adds to their credibility. |
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Have you asked NGC how they determined it was a fake? That would be the first thing I'd do in your shoes.
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I hadn't even thought about that. That's a good idea. Do those who've submitted before know if they share that sort of information?
Paul Bulgerin
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Paul, I can appreciate your position. I'm definitely not going to jump on the seller, or anything like that. I'm just looking for more information. Seems there has been a bunch of fakes lately, and I'm just doing research, so to speak. Thanks. Ed
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Thanks.
I, too, want people to be informed on this fake, that's why I've asked if there are any Flying Eagle specialists on the list who may want to examine it "in hand."
Except for the weight this is a good (and dangerous) fake.
Paul Bulgerin
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Maybe it would be good to direct the seller to this site, much in the same way you ended up here as well.
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I've sent an email to NGC asking if they will share with me how they determined the coin is not genuine. I'll let everyone know what I may hear from them.
Paul Bulgerin
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