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You've been shown conclusive evidence. Yet you still offer the coin for sale. That's not only unscrupulous, but very much illegal. Well stated SsuperDdave and here's a bit of what I said to the seller. Hopefully he is reading this thread and doing the right thing. Quote:The coin is a fake so remove the ebay listing - we are all watching. If you lose money that's because you made a bad decision and bought a fake coin. Remove the listing or pay the price. Was I kinda blunt?  Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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Blunt? Nevah! I like your style cipster. Quote:I'm thinking it's time to compile a database of known counterfeit sales which ebay has been informed of and refused to act on, to provide the Secret Service. I'm in. Edited by CoinsKelly
06/18/2014 10:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The wayward selling STILL hasn't removed the listing. It takes 2 min to end a listing, not 2 hours, not 2 days.
3 days to go and it's over 600$. I think he's seeing dollar signs and doesn't care about integrity.
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How long does it take for ebay to act on several reports of a fake coin! Oh yeah, I forgot. They don't want to take it down. Yup, time to start compiling a database of these auctions and maybe present them to the proper authorities. I'm growing real tired of this. As for the seller, he knows exactly what he's doing. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Bedrock of the Community
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Hmmm auction has been ended by the seller, but not because it was no longer available, but because it was sold. Sold to whom? He make a deal with the high bidder maybe? Recover his money and get us off his back?
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Pillar of the Community
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Received this email from the seller: "Hi I tried to cancel listing but ebay advised that they will charge final value fees per there policy as I am canceling sale early and they only allow one early cancellation when there are bids in one callender year so I ended to high bidder whom I will ask to retract and get final value fees. I already reached out to all bidders and alerted reason for canceling early." Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith |
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IMHO, it sounds like the seller is trying to do the honorable thing. I hope that's the case and would not rush to judgment. ebay is the bigger problem by far, methinks. |
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Rest in Peace
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The seller sent me the same response as cipster posted and I agree with Quote:
eBay is the bigger problem by far I'm thinking it may be time to terminate my ebay account and send them a nasty-gram just as a matter of principles. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What about a CCF petition .... electronically signed by members? As frustrating as ebay policies can be, fostering fraud and deterring conscientious folks from intervening in the sale of fakes, there are many good things to be said about the venue. I'd rather fight than quit ... ebay might consider a petion signed by hundreds of serious collectors, might they not? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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ebay wants their customers (us) to police the site but isn't willing to give us the tools necessary to do the job. Many years ago we could directly contact bidders and warn them that the item they were bidding on was questionable. How did ebay react? They called it "auction interference" and went with the hidden ID system because they said "competitors" were abusing the system. At one time we had dedicated CSR's that we could contact directly to get items scrutinized and removed. What did ebay do? Reassigned them to jobs that generated income instead of costing them income. Face it. ebay doesn't care until somebody gets burned and reports it through the "item is not as described" process. Then they eventually respond, mediate and refund (all automated, too). I just wonder how much counterfeit stuff gets sold and the buyer never reports it out of frustration or disgust?
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Rest in Peace
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Or does not even have a clue....
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:"Hi I tried to cancel listing but ebay advised that they will charge final value fees per there policy as I am canceling sale early and they only allow one early cancellation when there are bids in one callender year so I ended to high bidder whom I will ask to retract and get final value fees. OK I retract my last comment. It appears he did the only honorable thing he could do under current ebay rules. I hope he can take the coin back to where he got it and get his money back as well. Quote:
I just wonder how much counterfeit stuff gets sold and the buyer never reports it out of frustration or disgust? Or because they just don't realize it's a fake. Unfortunately a lot more than we would feel comfortable with, and with their new rules/procedures it's going to get a lot worse. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I feel for the seller, and am glad he is trying to do the right thing. Yes ebay is not doing our hobby any favors by NOT listening to the knowledgable collectors in the hobby. They did a good thing by removing replica coins, and by stopping the posting of numerical grades in auctions that aren't "Top tiered" TPG slabbed and verifiable. They stopped responding to the direct CCF reporting link, I have reported quite a few auctions in the past week, nothing from them (I used to get email form letters at least), all reported auctions were still up and several ended with sales. This is not helping the hobby - only hurting it. I like the idea of compiling a listing of all the bogus sales on counterfeits over the past few months, not sure what good it will do, when it seems that the only group ebay cares about is it's shareholders and increasing their dividend rates, not protecting their consumers (both buyers and sellers). This will be their downfall in the coin/stamp and collectible area if they are not careful. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Quote:not sure what good it will do, when it seems that the only group ebay cares about is it's shareholders and increasing their dividend rates, not protecting their consumers (both buyers and sellers). Individuals selling counterfeits are difficult to have prosecuted - their volume simply doesn't justify the expense of law enforcement involvement in this day of ever-tightening budgets. Institutional support for such activity, be it with malicious intent or just the result of inadequate internal policing, on the part of a major sales venue, is another thing entirely and something an agency could use to bolster its' public image and maybe generate more budget money. If conclusive data exists, you can expect to get serious attention from somebody. Perhaps a lower-level agency in ebay's legal home, perhaps the Secret Service itself, but with sufficient evidence somebody's going to see an opportunity for a high-profile case. |
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Rest in Peace
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I received this e-mail from the seller yesterday. Quote:Here's some good news! boa has agreed to cancel the transaction for 1872 Two Cent Piece...AU Grade...Scarce Date.Fully Original...Layaway Available ( 321434151396). The case is now closed. Any Final Value Fee that you paid for this transaction will be credited back to your account. It sounds as though ebay totally ignored all the reports sent by CCF members and still made the seller go through all the protocol to cancel the auction and avoid paying ebay any listing fees. It appears ebay is only interested in protecting their revenue and little interest in the law. I am not impressed. |
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