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 Posted 06/20/2014  12:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jst to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Two ancients I got for a bargain but were listed as 'unknown.' They are about 12 mm each.

I am suspicious of the second one. It appears to have a nice obverse and reverse, but the edge is flat and shiny. Appreciate any info...


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 Posted 06/20/2014  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add planetparty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second one sames in my eye as a fake, but I am just a novice collector.
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 Posted 06/20/2014  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't make out enough detail on the first coin to say what it is. I agree the second one is a fake that someone filed the edge down.
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 Posted 06/20/2014  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mylimebug to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not fully convinced that this is a fake... It almost appears to be a genuine coin that has been filed round to fit into jewelry.
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 Posted 06/20/2014  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first is Julian II. The second coin, I'm not sure. It might be real but ground down to fit a bezel.
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 Posted 06/20/2014  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jst to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input everyone.

I also started thinking the second may be genuine, but was filed down. It's nearly perfectly round and has sharp edges. If so, any ideas on its ID?
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Its after a coin of Constantius II or Constans. Most likely Constantius II. Reverse is GLORIA EXERCITVS, soldiers with staandards.
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 Posted 06/22/2014  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jst to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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How can you tell the first coin is Julian II? The portrait looks rather generic to these novice eyes and I cannot make out anything on the reverse. I'm looking at some Julian II pics on Wildwinds and cannot find a close match. Thanks.
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Its the hair. Both Julian II and Constantius Gallus had flowing hair on their coinage. Julian is much more common than Gallus, and uses a shorter legend. Theres also a bit of style difference between them.

Of course, without legend, nothing can be sure, and those pictures are a little hazy. You might be able to make out more letters, which would seal the identification. You're looking for the last few letters of the name:

IVLIANVS

CONSTANTIVS

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Based on the mint mark (SMTSÎ"), the filed coin was minted in Thessalonica. Assuming it's not a forgery, that is. I am leaning towards it being legit, filed to fit a setting.
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 Posted 06/24/2014  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jst to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info.
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