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"Usa Act" May Kill Penny, Nickel & $1 Bill

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 Posted 07/31/2014  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DCM Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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More than 30 years later everyone uses the coins and you wont believe how common and widely used the coins are !


Well there's no alternative available if you're outside of Scotland.

RE your one pound coins, I've got some, and like them, except that they tend to accumulate lots of scratching quickly.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes ! Most have really bad scratches ! Its not very easy to get shiny fresh new ones in circulation.... speaking of which , what years are your pound coins from ?
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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but the Gvt put their foot down and imposed the one pound coin


That does Not seem right to me for some reason.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this about freedom again?

It's a piece of paper vs. a piece of metal, I doubt it's subverting the Constitution.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Called my rep in congress today to voice my support for this bill. Thanks for making me aware of it!
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh boy,
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 Posted 07/31/2014  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I doubt it's subverting the Constitution



and

We tend to get hung up on our "rights" down here often to the detriment of society as a whole..... imo
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If people want to worry about rights then why not worry about the right to do what you choose with your own pennies and nickels rather than whether the government wastes money perpetuating an obsolete currency system?

If they aren't even our coins and notes then what does it matter what the government does?
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you get rid of nickels, how do you make change for quarters? You need to get rid of the hundredths place altogether for it to make sense, which means quarters are obsolete, too.


We have to have nickels to make change.

Really a nickel is still a little tiny bit of money so it's not that big a deal to keep making it. But we need to change it to a material that is more economical. The most logical choice in my opinion is aluminum and then in a few years when everyone has adapted to the changes the nickel can be withdrawn and replaced by a smaller aluminum coins. Of course this same thing can be done with stainless steel, aluminum bronze and many other materials. The beauty of using aluminum is that almost nothing at all has to change. It's a virtually seamless transition. People have a chance to get used to having a little aluuminum nickel slowly and then this coin might be viable for decades before everything under a quarter is simply eliminated. The changeover pays for itself as the government replaces nickels worth about five cents for nickels worth less than half a cent that required 3c in minting costs. Instead of losing money everytime a penny is produced or used the country gets a penny richer everytime an old nickel return to the bank.
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If they aren't even our coins and notes then what does it matter what the government does?


I'm not sure I'm following you here.

Are you saying that the money in my pocket is not really my own property?
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 Posted 07/31/2014  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Are you saying that the money in my pocket is not really my own property?


Exactly.

It's against the law to use them for anything except to spend or collect. This has applied to many coins in the past and it applies to pennies and nickels now.

Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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 Posted 07/31/2014  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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It's against the law to use them for anything except to spend or collect


Not exactly....

Section 331 of Title 18 of the United States code provides criminal penalties for anyone who fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the Mints of the United States. As a matter of policy, the Mint does not promote coloring, plating or altering U.S. coinage: This statute means that you may be violating the law if you change the appearance of the coin and fraudulently represent it to be other than the altered coin that it is.however, there are no sanctions against such activity absent fraudulent intent


The bold part is important......The word fraudulently is very important. Do what thou wilt with your coins just do not represent it as anything other than what it is....
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 Posted 07/31/2014  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes, they should remain legal tender. No reason to revoke that.


Well like in the last or one of them, threads on this I aid reduce the production of the cent to every 5 years and such for "business strikes". as long as I can still pay for things with then and don't have to trust the high school drop-out running the cash register to round change, then yes a reduced way of making them would work.

What would be more interesting would be if the Mint silently did a test where they didn't release any new cents and see what the reaction from the public is. They could have all the cent ready for 2015, but don't release them and see if the public notices or misses them?

i am still sure there is a viable way to make a 1-cent coin for less than 1 cent, or close enough that it wont matter too much, and the nickel cold just be made out of aluminum them and be just fine for visually impaired people.

As long as they are still money, I could stock up on plenty of pennies to last me the rest of my life, so long as businesses don't get stupid and try to round things to the dime. but they likely will even if all the cents aren't reclaimed for no reason.
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At this point, the present dollar is only worth what 10 cents was in the year 1970. In other words, one decimal place shift. We should get rid of the cent and nickel, continue the dime, and replace the quarter with a new, smaller 50 cent piece. All we need are 4 coins...10c, 50c, $1 and $2. With this change we obviously start rounding cash transactions to the nearest multiple of 10.

If we make a $2 coin, make it a bimetallic coin, smaller than the $1.

Then we go to polymer notes, starting with the $5 first.
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07/31/2014 11:11 pm
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 Posted 07/31/2014  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's against the law to use them for anything except to spend or collect


This couldn't be more wrong if someone tried.

You can melt down ANY coins with the exception of the cent and nickel as of the 2006 law. Before them you could melt ANY coin for its metal content. Thus why the law was passed because the metal content became more valuable than the face value.

The only thing you cannot do with US coinage is to defraud the value of it, and place advertisement on it (websites addresses, stickers, colorization for advertising, etc.)

Not sure about what Burger King did with the SBAs that one time they gave them away or if they got in trouble, but the did NOT attach anything to the coins, just placed them in a coin ziplock bag with a little card with the Burger King logo on the card and gave them away.

Coins belong to the person who owns them, BUT they are also money. You MAY spend them if you wish to.

I cannot find the video of the US Mint personnel stating that the coins were the property of who owns them, but it was on the History Channel I think in one of those shows they do.

want direct proof the above quoted statement is wrong?

http://www.usmint.gov/consumer/?action=FAQ

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Can I make jewelry from U.S. coins?
Yes, but your business should be careful not to imply any endorsement by or association with the United States Mint in its advertising and marketing materials.

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07/31/2014 10:56 pm
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