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Great thread ... excellent discussion and collaboration amongst all of us. Sorry for being late to the party .. but what a great read.  David
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With the quality of counterfeit dies coming out of China - I am afraid we will be seeing more and more strange errors in the near future. It's easy enough to dismiss a counterfeit coin made from false dies (once die diagnostics are known). It's much harder to discern an error made with a genuine coin and altered with an almost perfect false die. My fear is many collectors will be taken by some of these very dubious, yet legitimate "made" error coins. We've already begun to see very convincing errors of more modern coins coming out of China lately.
Thank you Mike Diamond for helping me, and all of us here, to better newest and just what in the heck happened to Vermontensium's coin a nice explanation, and very appriciated.
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Edited by westcoin 10/03/2014 1:36 pm
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 This is a great discussion with VT starting the OP. YOU  Go eat some more 
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This was a great read, and very interesting and educational.
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Got here yesterday, will get some pics up today.
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I'm going to play around with the focus stacking in a bit too.  
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Bobby, great pictures. Hope they help on this VT mystery. 
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Those new pictures really help me see the shape differences on the second group of stars. 
Edited by DVCollector 10/05/2014 6:50 pm
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I am seeing a slight, doubling effect on the two lower stars. The lowest star also appears to have rotated a little. Can anyone confirm/refute?
Talk about 'Extreme Close-up!'
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That T2i throws a low of chroma and luminosity noise; ran into the same thing with differing lenses. Underexposing a bit might help. This one's going to take a bunch of shots with differing lighting - gotta develop the contours of the fields adjacent to the stars, from the hair all the way to the rim. Maybe some heavily-angled (near horizontal) single lights from the side.
The desire is to see just how flat the field of the coin is - dies it taper, and where if it does? If we can manage to identify compression in the fields, it could be theorized that the second (counterfeit) die strike mashed both original fields and stars equally. This would tend to support Mike's idea. As it is, those fields look nowhere near flat, and it seems that the answer should lie in those details.
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I'm still slightly baffled that ExoGuy's coin as well as mine weigh in at 5.0 grams (exactly).
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I'm still of the opinion it is NOT PMD. Nothing has convinced me that it is. Don't forget there is also doubling in the curl.
Edited by jimbucks 10/05/2014 8:09 pm
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