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1904 Liberty Nickel With Extra Stars?

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Ok, these are my very first shots at image stacking in my life.

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I've been staring at these off and on for hours. Bobby, that's probably about 100% with a Nickel-sized coin under the 100mm, isn't it?

I'm really, really interested in the depth relationships between the individual stars, and the fields around them. The details at the rim, under and to the right of the 4, and at 3:00 are equally interesting - could that be lamination?
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could that be lamination?


Dave, exactly what I thought. It sure does have the characteristics of lamination.






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Are you guys talking about lamination from another coin that was struck into this coin? My speculation from the start.
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If a lamination stuck to the die and was 'pressed' into the next planchet:
Is such a fusion possible to the extent that it would survive circulation?

In any event, if this is the explanation then indeed a 'mint error' occurred and PMD is NOT the cause.
(Or perhaps the maker of the planchets is to blame.)


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Has anyone put this coin on top of another coin to see how out of round it is? The surface area around the area in question also looks quite rough, lamination? Can't tell.
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I suspect that the shape of VT's 1904 is distorted akin to my 1909, yet the surface of mine seemS relatively unimpaired.
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Bobby, do you have a normal Liberty nickel to confirm this?

I didn't get a chance before sending it.
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A Jefferson will do - diameter is identical.
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Does not feel out of round at all.
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Fascinating read!! to all the smart folks posting!
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I don't see the point of continuing to gnaw on this old bone. The warped surface, flattened obverse rim, doubling of the extra stars, and blended overlap are clear indicators of an incomplete (tilted) counterfeit second strike.
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A Jefferson will do - diameter is identical.


Tell me again Maximus, how long have I been doing this?

Ah yes, now I remember.
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I don't see the point of continuing to gnaw on this old bone.

This is one of (if not) the most educational threads I've had the privilege of lurking on.
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I don't see the point of continuing to gnaw on this old bone. The warped surface, flattened obverse rim, doubling of the extra stars, and blended overlap are clear indicators of an incomplete (tilted) counterfeit second strike.


Then how did the second strike fail to even dent the star closest to the 4? Twice, since it's doubled? If it's an angled strike, why are the insides of the overstruck stars as strongly-struck as the rim sides? I'm sorry, Mike, but I'm not buying it.

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