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vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 09/26/2014 09:24 am Hello all, Here an recent purchase from me. Nice looking shilling 1697 Chester mint. Mostly I ask for determinations this one is just to show you :) Report this Post to the Staff

vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 09/26/2014 5:42 pm I don't know if there are more varities of the Chester shilling 1697? I saw that there are 20 differences between the shilling 1697 coin. The V above the head looks lower then usual but I can be wrong though.. And the middle mark on the shields looks odd... Report this Post to the Staff
vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 10/04/2014 05:01 am Hello All, Ive searched into the krause and it seems there are 3 varities. Of the Chester mint 1697. Did not know that. KM#485.3 KM497.3 short ties of william III KM497.9 Can someone tell me which varity this one is? I don't see the differences and the explenation don't say that much in the krause.. Report this Post to the Staff
Tryna Pillar of the Community United States 937 Posts	Posted 10/04/2014 12:34 pm I like it! I have a 1697 but not from Chester. Thanks for showing it Report this Post to the Staff
Tom Goodheart Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 856 Posts	Posted 10/05/2014 08:06 am LOL I'm afraid there are quite a few bust varieties within this reign Vince and the differences (to me) between them can be quite subtle. I also don't have a copy of Krause, only Spink, which is the Standard catalogue for UK coinage. I believe your coin is what Spink call the 'First bust' (Spink 3499) I'm guessing Krauses' 'short ties' might be the Third bust (Spink 3505), the design upon which I believe later 1697 Chester coins (Spink 3507) were based. I should stress I am by no means an expert as it's a long time since I collected the series. Possibly others can chip in to correct or confirm what I've written. As to how the Spink varieties tie in to Krause, that's just a guess I'm afraid. I presume you know that your coin was a result of the 'Great Recoinage' where old, underweight and obsolete hammered coinage was recalled and melted down to be re-coined to good standard? The sheer volume of the task required the opening of a number of provincial mints (including Chester) to produce the coin needed quickly enough. Interesting times, eh?! Edited by Tom Goodheart 10/05/2014 08:07 am Report this Post to the Staff
vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 10/05/2014 4:47 pm Hello Tom and Tyrna, Thank you for your reply both! Was wondering if you (tryna) have an picture of your 1697 shilling. I was wondering even though it is not chester mint if there are subtle differences. Indeed Tom I've seen alot of varities. For me as I am not an collector for very long. Have no Idea. As the Krause don't mention that much information aswell. And no pictures unfortunatly. otherwise you could see them in the differences on pictures. BUt because there are so many it wil take to much paper I guess :) to put all in Krause. It is funny that in the Krause I think 1/3 of the pages are from German states. Unbelievable how many different coins they had. So before this period you don't have the different provincial mints. Interesting. I am not sure but I though that in the medieval ages of Britian all coins where leight. So you need alot of hammered coins for one shilling then? There must be lost alot of old coins those days then? Report this Post to the Staff
Tryna Pillar of the Community United States 937 Posts	Posted 10/06/2014 10:11 am Sorry vince, I do not have a picture of it The only 'camera' I have is my phone and that does not take very good pictures. Perhaps I will have to practice some more. Report this Post to the Staff
Tom Goodheart Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 856 Posts	Posted 10/06/2014 5:00 pm Quote: So before this period you don't have the different provincial mints. Interesting. I am not sure but I though that in the medieval ages of Britian all coins where leight. So you need alot of hammered coins for one shilling then? There must be lost alot of old coins those days then? Well, there were occasional provincial mints, yes. But from Charles II only the mint at the Tower of London, which was the main Royal Mint. As for mediaeval coins, for centuries the only coin was the penny (occasionally cut into halves or quarters for change). Probably few people used them in the early days though, with many transactions being bartered, a loaf of bread for some eggs, a knife for a chicken and the like. But by the 13th century more people used coins and a four-penny coin (groat) was introduced followed by sixpences and shillings in the 16th. As today, this was down to the gradual inflation of prices where items cost more over time and so it eventually became impractical to pay for everything with pennies. And yes, many small silver coins are still found in Britain by metal detectorists. Report this Post to the Staff
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