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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have read this post a couple times and find it very interesting. I, like others, very much want to hear
how this coin will be graded.
my guess is
1901 S
VF Details
Environmental damage
scratched
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Dr Tones, I think that it is vey unlikely that they will say "unable to authenticate".
Since the details are VF, the weight should be much less than when it was initially minted. This means that an experience grader will be able to tell if the weight is corrected. The thinkness and size of the coin will be a piece of cake for them.
My best suggestion right now is: whatever's happening right now is beyond your control. Go out an hunt for more coins. That's what's fun.
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A coin worn to VF won't show much weight loss at all. Weight loss isn't really seen until a coin gets down to AG/G. If this coin is underweight, it will be due to acidic soil eating away at the surfaces of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Question: I know that carbon dating isn't for coins. Radiometric dating is also not ideal for a coin so modern. What has PCGS done in the past to authenticate coins and tell them apart from Chinese counterfeits?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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...PCGS done in the past to authenticate coins and tell them apart from Chinese counterfeits? ...still a work in process with TPGs always reluctant to publish or reveal their proprietary methods for addressing these issues the best.  |
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Great Collections for authentication.
PCGS, NGC ?
If PCGS gets there hands on it, no less than XF details/environmental damage IMHO.
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Valued Member
 United States
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The coin went to PCGS yesterday. I guess it's up to them now. Ian from great collections did express some concerns about its authenticity. He stated that there are several fakes and that this particular coin "didn't sound right" but that if it was a fake, it's the best one he's seen. He said he's obviously hoping the coin will come back "genuine" but he has his doubts. So, I'm very anxious to say the least. I'm not sure how many dug coins Ian has delt with but it looks, feels and sounds about the same as the others to me. I completely understand having serious doubts about a coin of this caliber that was "found" and I know that my back story of where I found it doesn't mean anything to anyone but I'm telling you, if you knew where this coin was found you would have no doubts about its authenticity. From what I understand the modern counterfeits of this coin still have noticeable imperfections with date and mint mark placement. If this coin is a counterfeit, it would HAVE to have been made no later than 1920. Again, this is just due to where it was found and what else was/wasn't found at this site. My immediate concern is that something I know to be genuine will have lost enough of its land marks or whatever it is that the graders are looking for, and it will come back "unable to authenticate". Not much I can do about it but I will be heart broken if that's the case. I want a definitive answer. Genuine or not. Obviously Ian has been around the block and I value his opinion, but I honestly can't see this coin being counterfeit. Sleepless.
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Valued Member
United States
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Great advice BTW Petersun
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dr Tones, when people are identified as experts they really don't want to be wrong. The answer to that is to use qualifiers. That way they can say both "yes" and "no", and are right either way.
I'm sure everything is just fine. And I feel your pain. My worse scratch with a dug coin was on a 1917-D Merc in XF/AU with no etching. It seems there is some kind of rule that you MUST damage only valuable coins. No matter how careful or professional you are!
Congrats!
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Valued Member
United States
122 Posts |
I hear ya. I can dig a thousand without a scratch... And then...
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Valued Member
United States
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Why minted no later than 1920?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why minted no later than 1920? DrTones is basing the estimate off of what he thinks was the last likely date for the site to be used. The location he found the coin at was out in the Owyhees in Idaho. What many people don't understand (not saying you don't Gothic, just trying to give some context for people who don't), because they don't live in the Western United States is that there are large tracts of land that are rather remote and hardly ever have people go through them. (There are probably places where the last time a person set foot in the area was when an Indian got lost). The Owyhees are like that, 7,697 square miles with a population of about 11,000. There is a lot of public land and the area is riddled with ghost towns, abandoned settlements, old roads, mines in disrepair, etc. There are also numerous old settlements that are not on any maps that you can find, but are local knowledge. You can still find old china towns that no one seems to know about along small creeks or in canyons. So DrTones point, and I agree with him, is that unless someone is having a lot of fun getting counterfeit coins off alibaba and salting them in some of roughest terrain in the Great Basin on the off chance that someone with a metal detector will come and find one... well... Edited by allranger
12/31/2014 2:51 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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Allranger--thank you very much.
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New Member
United States
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In my very novice opinion, I think the likely hood this coin is authentic is much greater than if one was to buy this same coin raw, on ebay. I really hope this plays out for ya! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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DrTones - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
You have no means to fathom how much I'm hoping my authenticity concerns are misplaced. It'd be an awesome way to ring in the new year. :-)
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