Two Interesting Mexico 8 Reales 1809

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wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/08/2015 08:43 am Hi members! The following two coins have completely different colour; the first one looks silver-made while the second one looks like a debased specimen. Both the observe and reverse show they are from two different dies. Slight difference in ring tests but both have the property of diamagnetism, that is, they slide down slowly onto the neodymium magnets. The first one is slower than the second one, that is, the first one have a greater silver content. The first coin is 26.79 grs, 39.5-39.8 mm. The second coin is 26.93 grs, 39.2-39.5 mm. To me, the first one is genuine while the second one is a Class 2 contemporary counterfeit. As the second coin was struck from a different die, should it be an earlier Class 2 CC? Your comments are always welcome. Thank you. Edited by wonghinghi 01/08/2015 09:08 am Report this Post to the Staff

coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 01/08/2015 1:28 pm The first one looks unusual and has a tooled (repaired) edge with a probably restored / repaired edge decoration. If this coin is authentic than it must have been welded into something once or had a suspension loop. Also it seems to have been cleaned or heated (from the welding), which might be the reason for the different silver tone. The portrait looks a bit unusual, which might be the bad photograph. The second looks quite well to me. Edited by coinworldtv 01/08/2015 1:30 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 01/09/2015 1:23 pm The crowd seems to ignore this post. Still wondering why? Did Henry (wonghinghi) made anything wrong or are these coins not worth a comment? Edited by coinworldtv 01/09/2015 1:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/10/2015 02:58 am Hi coinworldtv (Filip), I have no grounds to say the first coin must be genuine, just my guess. This coin was bought in 2007-08 in HK numismatic shop. This is the first coin and I find the portrait is correct. The weight and S.G. are okay so I suppose it is genuine. The second coin was bought in ebay last month. I find the portrait is not correct as expected. Also, the coin looks like a debased specimen, I say it is "counterfeit". I have no strong theory to say which one is real or counterfeit. I will do the S.G. for both coins and hope to have more information to make my conclusion. Can other members to say which coin has a correct king portrait? Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/10/2015 03:23 am I borrow the coin picture posted by RockyRoad in his thread "1810 8 Reales - Fact or fiction?" that I think this is genuine. Please compare the following pictures : 1)my first coin versus RockyRoad's coin 2)my second coin versus RockyRoad's coin By comparing the portraits of the three coins, my first or second coin, is same as RockyRoad's coin? Please judge... (1) (2) Report this Post to the Staff
tenbobbit Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 701 Posts	Posted 01/10/2015 06:02 am I think " bob " and the other experts are away at a coin show this weekend which may explain there lack of input, give it a couple of days for their return I think. Report this Post to the Staff
Westwood Arms Pillar of the Community United States 684 Posts	Posted 01/11/2015 3:23 pm I think first coin is fake, the portrait and edge are wrong. I also think the second one is fake, Ferd's mouth is not right and the lettering is irregular. Report this Post to the Staff
coinworldtv Pillar of the Community Austria 566 Posts	Posted 01/11/2015 4:02 pm I do not agree with your opinion. The first coin has an unusual edge, because it was obviously repaired, the second coin has a different bust, but that is a known variety. Both coins are probably authentic, the first is just damaged and repaired. Edited by coinworldtv 01/12/2015 04:24 am Report this Post to the Staff
MathieuMa Pillar of the Community France 1591 Posts	Posted 01/12/2015 02:05 am For the first one, I don't see circles in the edge pattern, I see circles with a cut angle. If this is not from the picture, it's a clear issue. Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/13/2015 09:31 am Let my first coin be 1 and the second coin be 2 and the coin from another post be 3. Can you tell which combination is correct? A)Portrait 1 = Portrait 2? B)Portrait 1 = Portrait 3? C)Portrait 2 = Portrait 3? Please vote by your basic instrict. Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 01/13/2015 09:32 am I vote first: B Report this Post to the Staff
tokenmast Pillar of the Community United States 648 Posts	Posted 01/13/2015 12:31 pm c Report this Post to the Staff
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