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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Trout you are correct that dipping is cleaning. If it is done once or twice properly no one can really tell. The OP coin is a very good example of what happens when a coin becomes way over dipped. With experience it becomes easy to tell an over dipped coin, they just have THE LOOK no matter how many sheets of clear plastic you look through.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Trout1105:
the reason I say dipping is not cleaning is this......
Theoretically, you are correct, dipping is a form of cleaning, but in the case of grading a coin, dipping cannot be equated with cleaning.
Why? Because if the grading companies viewed dipping as cleaning, then 95% of all 'white' silver coins would be bodybagged as 'details grade'.
This is why I stress the difference between dipping (which is market and grading acceptable) and cleaning (which is not accepted in the grading and markets).
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Valued Member
Canada
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You Guys talk about dipping , In what may I ask?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2495 Posts |
In a chemical 'dip' solution that removes tarnish and toning from silver.
A jar of this dip can be purchased at most coin shops.
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Valued Member
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I total agree with the 2xeagle guy about the dip is not the same as the clean. But be reall caredful about how strong the dip and how long the dip or else you can make a coin lookd very bad and cant not fix it again!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
867 Posts |
Copper coins can also be dipped, but that is beyond my expertise.....
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
955 Posts |
A interesting and thought provoking thread. THIS is why I joined CCF.
``beauty is in the eye`s of the beholder`` could`nt ring truer.
Personally,I think cleaning(moderately) should have no baring on the value of any coin.
just my opinion
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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before deciding if "cleaning" is acceptable or not you have to define what 'cleaning' is. to me bad cleaning is #1 anything abrasive #2 anything that looks unnatural "good cleaning" would be a single dip (silver) or acetone rinse (silver or copper) or perhaps applying verdi-gone (to treat verdigris) because I focus on circulated non-silver tokens around 200 years old it is hard to find pieces that haven't had a rub or "good cleaning" here and there. below (top row) are 2 examples of un-cleaned coins, one is acceptable and one is not. bottom row shows 2 "cleaned" coins, again, one is acceptable and one is not (for the record the bottom right is cleaned & is in my collection and will be for a long time).  Edited by Wade
03/17/2015 01:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
840 Posts |
Concerning the 1916:
I agree with the MS grade, yet is should have been
noted as being a weak strike. The dot within the Maltese
Cross is clear, the hemisphere of the glove is clear, the
designers initials are crisp, etal. The grade is determined
by the propoundence of evidence, not one mere area. The fields
are clear of circulation marks (bag marks, etc) which would
be evident on lesser grades.
doug
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Although ICCS will not detail a dipped coin as "cleaned", they do tend to net grade over dipped coins. ICCS also seems to give high marks for quality of fields, especially on the Obverse even if the details are good.
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