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1997-P Kennedy Lamination

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 Posted 04/12/2015  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slamnbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be difficult but can you get an angled side view shot across the coin looking towards the crack/lamination area?
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 Posted 04/12/2015  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The line does go from rim to rim and it stops just at the raised part of the rim.

Also, in case it's difficult to tell from the pictures, the area to the left of Kennedy is lower than the right.
The texture of the line is not a bump like:
(Left side of coin _____/\____ (Right side of coin)

it is rather a step like:
(Left side of coin) ____/ŻŻŻŻŻŻ (Right side of coin)

Slamnbass: It's really difficult to take a picture of it, the lighting becomes too intense on the camera to see it clearly. My description above is all that is seen really, it doesn't look pealed at all.

Do you guys recommend trying to delaminate it with a toothpick?
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 Posted 04/12/2015  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, don't work it. I'd rather never be sure than see you potentially hurt an interesting coin.
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 Posted 04/12/2015  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SsuperDdave, I'll look at this one every once in a while and let you guys know if I spot anything that will help such as the line continuing on the face. So far I see it continuing on devices to a degree, after a certain height it doesn't seem to travel further up. Such as the line that goes up onto the chin/throat area.
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 Posted 04/19/2015  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A closer photo of the crack would help.
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 Posted 04/19/2015  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Retained Cud, you can see how the field is displaced below the 9 in the date.
The difference between this and a die crack going from rim to rim is the displaced field that's what makes it a Retained Cud, Retained Cuds must have displacement in the field otherwise it's just a die crack
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 Posted 04/19/2015  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can a die crack be a shelf as I've explained though? ___/ŻŻŻ versus _____/\_____

I'll try to take some better pictures soon
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 Posted 04/23/2015  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd call it a rim-2-rim die crack or what some call a pre-cud die crack. Not enough displacement for it to be a Retained Cud ... if they are possible on the hammer die.
See here for more on the subject:
https://goccf.com/t/226876
Or here:
http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...inedCuds.htm
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 Posted 04/24/2015  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I forgot to upload these. I tried to show the shelf as best I could but it didn't really turn out. Also notice the line does not travel further than the chin area. It climbs a little bit and fades away, similar to on the '9' and 'I'.

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 Posted 04/24/2015  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slamnbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm,much better pics-you guys dont still see a crack do you?
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 Posted 04/24/2015  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see a die crack, but so far the die isn't showing a movement of the die in that area.
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 Posted 05/01/2015  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've found another one! : ) This completely eliminates the lamination theory. This one doesn't have the cool mustache though

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 Posted 05/01/2015  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats!
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 Posted 05/01/2015  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add koinpro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice die crack though.
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 Posted 05/01/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Blue.
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