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Medieval France: Herbert, Count Of Maine

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I am a sucker for European medieval coins, especially western European, so I had to have this coin at the price it was at. The style is rather crude and the strike isn't the best but the condition itself is nearly flawless. This actually happens to be my first post-Carolingian medieval French coin, after the split of the Frankish Empire into the kingdoms of West and East Francia, which later developed into France and Germany, respectively.

This coin was struck by Count Herbert of Maine (a region in northern France). I think this coin, not being struck in the name of the king at the time (Robert II of the Capetians), is a testament to the feudal, decentralized nature of France at the time, when many local counts and dukes pretty much had free reign to do what they pleased as long as they recognized the king.

Herbert's date of birth is not recorded but he was the son of the previous Count of Maine, Hugh III, and succeeded his father in 1017. Herbert often participated in the various wars between counts at this time, solidifying his reputation as a great warrior, and he earned his nickname "Wakedog" from his conflicts with the Angevins.

One of Herbert's biggest enemies was Avesgaud, Bishop of Le Mans. They often fought one another and during the course of their conflict Avesgaud excommunicated Herbert. Shortly after the excommunication was lifted and peace was established between them, but this hardly lasted, and later one of Avesgaud's castles was besieged and destroyed.
Herbert also personally fought against his former feudal lord and the Count of Anjou, Fulk III Nerra, who was able to capture Herbert through deception and consequently take over the County of Maine. Herbert was released after much humiliation at the hands of Count Fulk and only given back some of his former lands.

Herbert died in 1035.
(I couldn't find anything else about him online unfortunately)

Herbert I, Count of Maine, Kingdom of France
AR denier
Obv: +COMES CENOMANIS ("Count of Maine"), monogram of Herbert within circle
Rev: +SIGNVM DEI VIVI ("sign of the living God"), cross with pellets and letters in corners, all within circle
Mint: Le Mans (struck 1017-1035 AD)
Ref: B., 170; P.A., 1548; Legros, 568; D., 398

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Europe circa 1000 AD:
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County of Maine:
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These soldiers aren't French but here's how they more-or-less would have looked like:
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Excellent coin, super details and as usual an excellent historical right up. I wish I knew something about medieval but sadly I don't.
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Herbert began to struck his own coins after the battle of Pontlevoy (july 6 1016) where his aid was decisive in the victory over Eudes II of Blois .
Here was born around 985 and had 4 children , one son Hugues IV and three daughters : Biota (+1063),Gersende , mother of Hugues V and Paule . albert
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21 fruit salute!

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Thanks all for the comments.
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A very interesting coin, and very nicely documented as well.
From the map you show it seems Le Maine was Normandies' southern neighbor - just wondering how The Maine fared under Guillaume Duke of Normandy. Was it absorbed into Williams Kingdom?
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the history of Maine in the 11th century is very complicated.Count Herbert II of Maine has to design William the Conqueror in his last will as his successor.In 1063,William conquers Maine , but there is a lot of oppsition and he looses it again in 1070 to Azzo d'Este,the husband of Gersende de Maine,daughter of count Herbert I.
Beginning the 12th century,Henri Beauclec,king of England,recognise Foulque V of Anjou as count of Maine,who transmit the county to his son Geoffrey Plantagenêt.At his death,his son Henri,already duke of Normandy,reunits Anjou,Maine and Normandie. albert
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Incredible coin. I am starting to find the coinage of feudal France quite interesting. Your coin is exceptional for its completeness. The map is cool. I dont have a Herbert Denier but I do have a contemporary Cnut Penny.

I would also like to formally fruit your coin...




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Great coin Anoob. That one is on my wishlist.
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The Cnut coin is also on my list. Very nice indeed.
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Great write up, and nice coin. Wish I knew more about the medieval era. Are those maps freely available online?
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Thanks Orfew and captainyesterday. Yes I found the maps online.
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