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Trade Dollar 1878 S - Genuine Or Not?

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 Posted 08/20/2015  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think your coin is genuine, by the way.
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 Posted 08/20/2015  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CartwheelCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Please, can we just get over this "ring test" crap? They're making counterfeits from the same silver alloys as the originals, and even if you have the auditory acuity to detect a half tone - I do not - a fake will sound just like a real one unless it's pot metal, in which case visual evidence will suffice.

It is a potentially-damaging test whose results indicate nothing at all. Please, just don't.


I have yet to see a high-quality, unmarked counterfeit produced on 90% silver/10% copper. Heck, I have yet to see a high quality counterfeit produced on anything that sounds remotely like the legitimate counterpart.

Ring tests, if done properly, do not damage a coin. I could demonstrate how a proper ring test is done if I had a way to take a video.

You may have a personal disagreement with that particular methodology of testing to see if a coin is legitimate, but combined with a close in-hand check by a knowledgeable individual, it certainly can play an effective role in determining authenticity.

Edited to add, some coins should not be ring checked, such as gold coins, due to the softness of the metal.
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I have yet to see a high-quality, unmarked counterfeit produced on 90% silver/10% copper. Heck, I have yet to see a high quality counterfeit produced on anything that sounds remotely like the legitimate counterpart.


I have. They exist, but are scarcer than off-metal counterfeits.
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Ring tone testing is only one of many tests that can be applied. The convenience of this test is that it costs nothing, and if access to a known genuine coin is available, such a test can be simply applied by the owner odf the suspect coin.

As has been pointed out, fakes can be made from exactly the same metal alloy as from which the original coin was made. If the suspect coin is of exactly the same alloy, and is of the same planchet specifications,
comparative ring tone testing is of no value.
A good example of this would be a fake Canadian 1912-14 $10, made by re striking a U.S. gold eagle. In this case not even XRF or weight testing is of any value.
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