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Good idea... next week I will reach out.. I just ordered 4 kids worth of holiday gifts...

so my next paycheck the copy stand will be my first purchase or priority purchase.
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so my next paycheck the copy stand will be my first purchase or priority purchase.


If you're going to do stacking with at 5x, make sure to get a copy stand that features some sort of fine focus capability. The one I use has an old Zeiss WL microscope focus block, but this is not ideal, since the fine focus travel is limited to 2mm in 20 turns of the knob.

Maybe Ray will be along shortly to offer more specific advice about the fine focus.
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Yeah, you need reasonably fine focus adjustment at 5x if you are going to do stacking. You can get away with minimal stacking steps at 5x, ie focus on the field, then a little higher, then on top of the letters, etc. The idea behind the <$400 setup is you use the focus helicoid to adjust the focal planes. The M42 helicoids with 17-31mm adjustment have a pretty decent sensitivity, enough so if you're careful you'll be OK. But the camera must be very rigid for it to work well. Any movement while adjusting the helicoid and alignments are way off. So you can probably get away with a stand with coarse focus, then do fine focus with the helicoid. Can't do that at 10x.

I'm crossing my fingers about the M5. It looks OK, just a bit rusty. The optics may be fine. It does have a nice extension ring that comes with it.

You should probably invest in a ping pong ball diffuser, or perhaps a piece of Opalux, to help with lighting. The working distance on the M5's is pretty small. My latest recommendation is to remove the front trim ring (the piece that says M5; it unscrews) and install a piece of opalux or vellum with a hole in it. This will give you a good amount of diffusion and get rid of the hotspotting and shadowing.
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The Camera and a few parts came a few minutes ago

there was a extra part thrown with my camera kit

Will this come in handy - Satechi Wireless remote thing?

2 pieces one looks like remote, other looks like it attaches to something



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That is probably for remote shutter triggering. You will likely just use the mouse for that, but it could be used for nature macro photography on a tripod to reduce any movement of the camera when tripping the shutter. Maybe it would sell on ebay?
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I found on canon website the EOS Utility and installed it


parts that arrived today or yesterday

- Canon EOS Rebel XS / 1000D 10.1 MP Digital SLR Camera - Black (Kit w/ EF-S II 18-55mm Lens)
with 32GB SD card in camera, 3 Batteries, 3 Chargers, Mini USB to USB cable


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- Canon EOS / M42 Lens Mount Adapter - M42 screw mount lens to Canon EOS Body


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- Nikon EL-Nikkor 75mm f/4 Made in Japan, No. 477388


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parts still in transit


- M42-M42 Mount Focusing Helicoid Ring Adapter 17-31mm Macro Extension Tube EM#01
- 2 sets of Macro Extension Tube 3 Ring L8D Set Adapter for M42 42mm Screw Mount Camera Lens
- M42-M42 Mount Focusing Helicoid Ring Adapter 17-31mm Macro Extension Tube EM#01
- 2 of Fotodiox Lens Mount Adapter, M39 to M42 (39MM - 42MM Thread) Adapter for Leica, Canon, Nikon, Carl Zeiss, Pentax, Leica
- Microscope Part Objective Nikon M5 5X Optics

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Do you have any vellum? Or perhaps you can order some Canson Opalux. You will need some diffusion paper especially for the M5.
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I think have some vellum and a bunch of Canson paper might only be colored paper I used for art I just got to find it. If not I have something similar I use for animation.
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Might be total newb question... I am still missing pieces but just gathering information

So for full coin Jefferson nickels and Lincoln cents I would use the


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- Dime to Nickel shots at 1:1.2 to 1:1.5...medium bellows lenses such as 75EL, 75TT or 75ARD1, or short bellows lenses such as 63EL, 67RS, 60E36, etc. Intrepid folks may consider the 105PN, 74SP, or 105AEL


Nikon EL-Nikkor 75mm f/4 Made in Japan, No. 477388 ?

a. Attach the focusing helicoid to EOS adapter
b. Attach M39-M42 adapter to Nikon lens
c. Attach lens to helicoid
d. Attach the whole lens assembly to the camera
e. Set lens aperture to f4
f. Add extensions as needed between helicoid and lens
g. Set aperture to f22

And how do you attach the microscope objective does that just replace where the lens went I assume?


Below are the step I will be following


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collection of steps by rmpsrpms From the >$400

Here's the sequence of steps I would suggest to set up and get used to this equipment, at least the 75mm lens. The microscope objective will take some additional steps, as will photo editing, but this will get you started...

1. Install the software. EOS Utility and Digital Photo Professional.
2. Hook up the camera and make sure the software communicates with it... check:
a) That the "control camera" part of utility comes up (this is what's called the Zoom Browser)
b) That the camera will go into Live View (make sure camera knob is on Av)
c) There is another thread SD was authoring where I listed basic camera setup steps. Follow that
3. Attach the focusing helicoid to EOS adapter
4. Attach M39-M42 adapter to Nikon lens
5. Attach lens to helicoid
6. Turn off camera.
7. Attach the whole lens assembly to the camera
8. Set lens aperture to f4
9. Look through the viewfinder and verify you can see an image (at infinity), probably a bit fuzzy
10. Add extensions as needed between helicoid and lens to frame different size coins. Total extensions will be between 0 and 75mm to go from infinity to 1:1

At this point you can try using the camera somewhat normally, handheld. Get a feel for the amount of extension you need to frame different size coins. You can even use it as a normal walkaround camera for bugs, flowers, even stuff at infinity with the right extensions (maybe just the helicoid). Make notes on the extension lengths and working distances you need for different coin sizes. This will help you in setting up the camera later on tripod. For each setting of coin size, try to set the focus helicoid to the center of its range. This will give you some +/- adjustability.

After you're comfortable with how it all works:

11. Mount camera on tripod
12. Adjust extension lengths and working distance / tripod height per your notes for the coin size you want to shoot
13. Plug in the USB
14. Turn on camera
15. Turn on Live View using the EOS Utility / Zoom Browser
16. Turn on your lights
17. Set aperture to f22
18. Put mirror where coin goes.
19. Adjust tripod so camera is looking straight back to the center of the lens
20. Set aperture to f5.6 if you're shooting Dimes/Cents/Nickels, or f8 if you're shooting Quarters/Halves/Dollars
21. Remove mirror and place coin
22. Coarse focus with the focus helicoid, adjusting tripod again if needed
23. Move coin until it is framed correctly in the Live View screen
24. Adjust your lighting
25. Turn on Zoom View (magnfier icon)
26. Fine-tune focus with the helicoid
27. Snap the shot


Here's a list of what I would recommend versus magnification:

- Full slab shots or large medals below 1:4...Better dedicated macro lenses such as Canon 100mm, Nikon 105mm Micro, Tamron 150mm or 180mm, etc or very long bellows lenses such as Nikon 150EL, 135EL, or even 120AMED or 120ARD

- Quarter to Dollar shots at 1:1.5 to 1:2.5...Better dedicated macros, or long bellows lenses such as Nikon 135B, 105B, 105EL or 80EL, Rodenstock 105RR/RS or 80RR/RS, Tominon 105TT, or medium bellows lenses such as 75EL, 75TT, 75ARD1 stopped down to f8

- Dime to Nickel shots at 1:1.2 to 1:1.5...medium bellows lenses such as 75EL, 75TT or 75ARD1, or short bellows lenses such as 63EL, 67RS, 60E36, etc. Intrepid folks may consider the 105PN, 74SP, or 105AEL

- Detail shots from 2:1 to 1:1...short bellows lenses such as 35RE, 35TT, 35MP, or any of the short to medium bellows lenses above. The intrepid can try the lenses above, and add to the list the 95PN, 65MN, etc. Note the best lens available for 2:1 is the 35MP

- Detail shots at 3:1 and above...microscope objectives, or very short macro lenses such as 17TT, 20MP, or similar.

BU copper is tough, though that's mostly all I shoot. Are you diffusing the lights a bit? The distance of lights from the coin is super critical for all coins, maybe more so for copper. As an engineer, when in doubt, I will identify all my variables and do a sweep across each one, and identify the best value for each. The lighting variables you can vary are:

height above coin. I find that 60mm is too low, 75-100 is about right, 120mm is too high. Try moving your lights up and down and see what works best.

clock position

angle to horizontal

size (diffusion)

reflectors

number of lights (2 is std, some use 3 or 4)
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parts arriving today if all goes well

MICROSCOPE PART OBJECTIVE NIKON M5 5X OPTICS

I think will still be missing adapters to do anything yet..
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nope but I did receive the two M39 to M42 adapters

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mailman just came to door with the m5 looks in better shape then the auction pictures

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3 parts still in transit

- M42-M42 Mount Focusing Helicoid Ring Adapter 17-31mm Macro Extension Tube EM#01
- 2 sets of Macro Extension Tube 3 Ring L8D Set Adapter for M42 42mm Screw Mount Camera Lens
- M42-M42 Mount Focusing Helicoid Ring Adapter 17-31mm Macro Extension Tube EM#01
- 2 of Fotodiox Lens Mount Adapter, M39 to M42 (39MM - 42MM Thread) Adapter for Leica, Canon, Nikon, Carl Zeiss, Pentax, Leica
- Microscope Part Objective Nikon M5 5X Optics
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Would this be the 100mm macro lens of choice?
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that's the one the guy that came over as using... I am going to try the under $400 set up first to learn first.. but not a bad price.. but with 4 kids and the holiday it will have wait...
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