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Ok sorry Mor but your clue #11 has confused me. I was thinking that each sequential grouping of vowels or consonants corresponded to a single letter in the finished message. However, you seem to be indicating that the fifth word is teau-ion-j rather than the t-eauio-nj that I was expecting.
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Does the encoding mechanism require a matrix, similar to a Playfair cipher? No. |
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That's quite the answering spree. I got some more questions for you to answer, hopefully.
Can one letter be decoded into two different groupings or more? (i.e. both 'QD' and 'RRD' can both be decoded as 'A')
How many 4 character groupings are there total?
Can you reveal what TZ (occurs only once) is deciphered into?
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A single U has been used twice now, so my question is...
Does the single letter U decode into a consonant or a vowel?
And if it is a consonant, does it decode into an S?
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United States
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Die the code require some form of Tabula Recta to decipher?
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United States
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If we guess the phrase, would we be able to figure out the encryption method?
As it is difficult to figure the method with out knowing the basis to which the method was applied, we need the phrase first, right?
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Ok, this is going to be a little confusing: Given your example "if FG equals B", then yes, GF would also equal B. BUT, in your example, "if AGE equals S", GAE would NOT equal S, but could decode to a completely different letter. This seems to lead to an inconsistency. The second letter of the first word corresponds to 'EA' and this should translate to a specific letter. But, 'EA' can not always represent that same letter because the first letter of the fifth word corresponds to 'TEAU', which contains the 'EA'. The same difficulty with 'U'. Likewise, as we know that 'EA' is a letter, then based on the example 'AE' should be the same letter. However, in the code there is a sequence 'EAE', so does our letter correspond to the 'EA' portion or the 'AE' portion? This makes it very difficult to separate the letters correctly without some additional information. There are ways around these, but I am worried that there might be some non-uniqueness in the code. Edited by Susuman
01/17/2016 2:30 pm
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United States
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I'm eating boiled peanuts then I will take another 5 min stab at it lol got off work early today is a day I can work on it a little
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This seems to lead to an inconsistency. The second letter of the first word corresponds to 'EA' and this should translate to a specific letter. But, 'EA' can not always represent that same letter because the first letter of the fifth word corresponds to 'TEAU', which contains the 'EA'. The same difficulty with 'U'.
Likewise, as we know that 'EA' is a letter, then based on the example 'AE' should be the same letter. However, in the code there is a sequence 'EAE', so does our letter correspond to the 'EA' portion or the 'AE' portion? This makes it very difficult to separate the letters correctly without some additional information.
There are ways around these, but I am worried that there might be some non-uniqueness in the code. EA does indeed represent a letter. EAD represents a different letter than EA. EAUD represents an altogether different letter than EA or EAD. Note: EA ALWAYS represents the same letter. EAD ALWAYS represents the same letter. Even EAUD ALWAYS represents the same letter. (I'm not that mean!) Edited by Moe145
01/17/2016 3:08 pm
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Ok sorry Moe but your clue #11 has confused me. I was thinking that each sequential grouping of vowels or consonants corresponded to a single letter in the finished message. However, you seem to be indicating that the fifth word is teau-ion-j rather than the t-eauio-nj that I was expecting. Each grouping (it could be between 1-4 letters) represents a letter. The code does not have any 5 letter groupings, so "eauio" can/does not represent anything. |
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A single U has been used twice now, so my question is...
Does the single letter U decode into a consonant or a vowel?
And if it is a consonant, does it decode into an S? Hint# 12: A single U translates into an E.  |
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United States
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How many 4 character groupings are there total? 12. (Just to be clear, not all of these 4 character groupings are used in this coded message). Edited by Moe145
01/17/2016 5:13 pm
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United States
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Can you reveal what TZ (occurs only once) is deciphered into? Hint #13: TZ deciphered is M. (But there are MANY other combinations of letters than can decipher to M).  |
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United States
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Does the code require some form of Tabula Recta to decipher? No. |
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United States
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If we guess the phrase, would we be able to figure out the encryption method?
As it is difficult to figure the method with out knowing the basis to which the method was applied, we need the phrase first, right? If you guess the phrase, you MAY be able to figure out the encryption method. But, per the rules, I can not verify the correct phrase WITHOUT the description of encoding, so you would not know if the phrase is the correct one. Sorry. |
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