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Paulsz Pillar of the Community Canada 2187 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 11:45 am well done gidjit! I have yet to own one but will be aiming for it soon. I can't imagine amassing 50! And these look to be in good condition too. At least VG-F, and some seem promising for VF Edited by Paulsz 03/27/2016 11:45 am Report this Post to the Staff
gidjit Pillar of the Community Canada 1980 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 12:38 pm thanks for all the responses. Quote: How do you just "come across" 1858 cents, so that you can "hang on" to them? well I have a couple sources where I buy collections, I keep certain ones and sell off the rest and do it again. ebay used to be the place to do this but lately these sets have been way overpriced and the quality has been disappointing, my problem is I'm lazy so I have not been listing many coins lately so I'm getting quite the pile. Quote: I have rolls of large cents, but certainly not rolls of 1858! i am now able to make rolls of most years for example I have over 200 1901's alone i am about 5 coins away from a roll of 1891 small date coins and about 15 w9/8's shy of a roll for that. Quote: Gidjit that's an extraordinary accomplishment! You might be very interested in picking up a copy of Dr Haxby's book - Striking Impressions. The first portion of the book extensively outlines various pre-RCM coinage and currency used in Canada, a very fascinating read which puts context into what you've collected. you know I really need some more books as all I know is whats in the Charlton and what I have learned here,,so if I should search for any other varieties I dont know about I am willing to listen. Quote: well done gidjit! I have yet to own one but will be aiming for it soon. I can't imagine amassing 50! And these look to be in good condition too. At least VG-F, and some seem promising for VF actually I think some will grade AU-MS I do have some G's ,VG's but I think the average would be VF i have posted many of these in the "grading" section of this forum over the past Report this Post to the Staff
gidjit Pillar of the Community Canada 1980 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 1:04 pm Quote: 1858s are scarce, but the mintage was not exactly small (ca. 1.5 million). JHAX I know you are an expert on province of canada coinage this is why I am scratching my head because I thought the mintage was 421k am I missing something Report this Post to the Staff
Paulsz Pillar of the Community Canada 2187 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 4:26 pm Quote: actually I think some will grade AU-MS Edited by Paulsz 03/27/2016 4:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
fourmack Pillar of the Community New Zealand 1679 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 4:35 pm I could go on forever. very very impressive Cheers Don Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut. "Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more Report this Post to the Staff
SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 6:14 pm WOW...gidjit, nice very nice... A lot of them look unc, I have 2 and thought I was doing good... Report this Post to the Staff
JHax Valued Member United States 302 Posts	Posted 03/27/2016 10:49 pm Yes, you are, Gidjit: about 1,000,000 of them. The figure of 421,000 was first published by Fred Bowman and was widely copied by catalogers. His fictitious figure came from two Royal Mint accounts for the entire 1858-59 Province of Canada cent coinage. One account gave 10,000,000 and the other gave 421,000 less. He assumed the difference was the 1858 coinage. In fact the total 1858-59 cent coinage was 9,690,388. This is a firm figure; it was the actual number of cents received as given in Canadian government accounts. I've already talked about the hoard of cents I examined in the 1970s that contained over 50 1858s. It was at that time that I first realized Bowman's figure must be way too low, because the 1858's in the hoard were from many different dies. Either the die life had to be extremely short or, more likely, the mintage was much higher than 421,000. My estimate for the true mintage comes from a calculation that assumes that on average every Prov. of Canada cent reverse die struck the same number of coins. Thus, multiplying the total mintage (9,690,388) by the probable number of 1858 dies (53) and dividing by the total number of dies (363) gives the 1858 mintage as 1,388,155. By a more complex calculation Rob Turner comes to a very similar figure in his catalog of the 1858 dies. Edited by JHax 03/27/2016 10:54 pm Report this Post to the Staff
oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5239 Posts	Posted 03/28/2016 09:22 am Thanks, NH_collector. Do you know the weight (or size) of one of these kegs? I wonder if there is a keg or two still hidden somewhere? Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5394 Posts	Posted 03/28/2016 11:14 am 1858 Large Cent is hardly rare or scarce. Popular and slightly elusive for two reasons. One it is a first year of issue for Canadian Provincial coinage and two the erroneous mintage figure of 421000. Nice job acquiring fifty of them ....only if bought cheaply. In my opinion this coin makes the top ten list of overrated Canadian coin issues. Report this Post to the Staff
aghawk Valued Member Canada 343 Posts	Posted 03/28/2016 11:17 am Wow - that is quite the collection! Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5586 Posts	Posted 03/28/2016 3:17 pm I'm in Okla right now, but send me an email the end of the fitst week April. I have all the books you need and we live in the same town. Hax and Rob T are right. I've always used about 1.5 mil.Also, they DID come in "tubes" or holders. Aussie Bob told me a story about someone finding an unopened one (had wore clips at the ends?) but they let too many go at one time .. all unc. Report this Post to the Staff
gidjit Pillar of the Community Canada 1980 Posts	Posted 03/28/2016 3:26 pm ok okie I will send you an email in april thanks Report this Post to the Staff
JHax Valued Member United States 302 Posts	Posted 03/29/2016 12:46 am Gidjit, you seem to be someone who is up for challenges. Here's one for you: amass a roll of 1884 Obv. 1 cents, not worrying about condition. Still, that will take you a bit longer than the 1858s did, I'll bet! Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10458 Posts	Posted 03/29/2016 09:36 am Quote: Here's one for you: amass a roll of 1884 Obv. 1 cents, not worrying about condition. I had 12 of them at one point, including one in an MS-60 flip.... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
DEVLEC Pillar of the Community Canada 3234 Posts	Posted 03/29/2016 11:16 am Quote: I can't imagine amassing 50! And these look to be in good condition too. Very impressive gidjit..I certainly would not be stacking the better ones or MS's against each other... Report this Post to the Staff
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