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When Will The Native American Dollar End?

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 Posted 05/03/2016  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It also specifies that the number to be struck for circulation should be a set percentage of the number of president dollars struck. Well since after this year that number is zero, a percentage of zero is also zero so NO Sec/NA dollars can be made for circulation after this year. (The law DOES allow them to be struck as numismatic coins for collectors though.)
No, it says no less than a set percentage, so the number is a lower boundary (of course a lower boundary of zero, as you quite correctly calculated, means that any number can be issued - including, in theory, zero).
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 Posted 05/03/2016  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Half to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After living in Spain for three years..............

Partially imitate the Euro. Ditch the 1$ and 2$ bills and replace them with coins.

Remove all images of real people and replace with allegorical images, animals, landmarks and the like.

Change the size of the 50 cent, 1$ and2$ to show a logical progression in size. You could even change the texture of the edges to make them more obvious for blind folk.

I really have no opinion on the 1 and 2 euro cents. They get used some but most things are rounded up to the nearest 5 or 10 cent or euro. I generally save up enough to fill a roll and use them. lol

Later this year I will be able to give an opinion on the 500 yen coin which is roughly equivalent to 5 dollars.

(P.S. All businesses should display the after tax price for things on the shelf)
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 Posted 05/03/2016  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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(P.S. All businesses should display the after tax price for things on the shelf)

This is nice (and indeed usually done) in countries with a nationwide sales tax, but a pain in the USA, where every city has its own sales tax that changes occasionally.

Also, no store wants to be the first to do that, because that means their displayed prices will be higher.
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 Posted 05/03/2016  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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(P.S. All businesses should display the after tax price for things on the shelf)

The problem with that is that then the amount that consumers are actually paying in sales taxes is hidden, which makes is easier for state/local governments to increase taxes. What would be good, if it wasn't an undue burden on businesses, would be for businesses to display the before and after tax prices of the products they sell. The after tax price would include taxes accumulated through all stages of the R&D, manufacturing and sales process. Then consumers would be in a better position to know whether or not the amount they're paying in taxes is worthwhile.
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 Posted 05/03/2016  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just want them to go back to the original 2000 Sacagawea design with Eagle reverse and Date/Mint on the obverse (HATE these being on the edge). No more revolving door of reverse designs; have some consistency for once.

I think the original Sac $1 was by far the best US circulating coin design since 1916
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 Posted 05/04/2016  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obviously no way they would go back to large dollars after they updated all the vending machines in the past 17 years to accommodate the small ones.

I have to assume that at some point in the next 50 years they will to back and make the Bush, Clinton, Carter, Bush 2.0, and Obama coins once they are buried, burned, or lost in space for a long enough period.

There are plenty of non Elected Americans or Moments in American History that would be fitting for a coin. Michael King Jr (since he never legally changed his name to Martin Luther), Rosa Parks, Abigail Adams, George Washington Carver, Cesar Chavez, Crazy Horse, or maybe even JBuck just to start the list.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  06:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bud250r to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I totally agree on that last choice.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpaceMaNy0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would have to be a large dollar though. Still, I'm for it as well.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That would have to be a large dollar though. Still, I'm for it as well.


It could be a lower case j.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add n9jig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Presidential dollar program ends when there are no dead Presidents left, it doe not get revived for a President who dies after the program has ended. Of course Congress in it's infinite wisdom can so create another coin for the next dead President if they choose.
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or maybe even JBuck just to start the list.

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I totally agree on that last choice.

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That would have to be a large dollar though. Still, I'm for it as well.

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Of course Congress in it's infinite wisdom can so create another coin for the next dead President if they choose.
If any one of our currently living presidents were to pass away, I hope Congress would approve the minting of their dollar coin, even if it means waiting two years. This would be the right and fair thing to do. All presidents, good and bad, deserve equal admiration for their service.
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If any one of our currently living presidents were to pass away, I hope Congress would approve the minting of their dollar coin, even if it means waiting two years. This would be the right and fair thing to do. All presidents, good and bad, deserve equal admiration for their service.

I completely disagree. I do respect the office of the president, but I have absolutely no admiration for the deterioration that three of our living presidents have brought us. I have some admiration and some disappointment for the other two. The last thing that I want to see is their faces on coins. I think we should wait a minimum of 25 years before considering an addition to the series. Better yet, let's just put an end to putting dead people on coins.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, a precedent has been set. One could argue that some of our 19th century presidents did worse things for our country than those living presidents. If Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan got dollars, so should Carter, Clinton, and the Bushes.

Presidential dollars aside, yes, we can put an end to putting dead people on (circulation) coins. (I have no problem with dead people on NCLT Commemorative coins.)
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 Posted 05/04/2016  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mayflower2020 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just because you didn't like somebody as President doesn't mean they should be except from the rule put in place Congress.

Plenty of Presidents in history were total scumbags who put into effect policies that negatively effected the Americans, but we are so far removed that the ways they rose to power, or their abuse is lost in history and gilded over. In a hundred years people will have their own problems and wont care what Bush, Clinton, or Carter did in office.

Even the Lewinsky scandal will be a cheeky side joke in the tourist drone tour of Washington DC (or whatever we will be flying around in then).
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 Posted 05/04/2016  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The difference between the ones that are living now and the ones that are dead (Reagan excepted) is that I didn't experience them first hand. Therefore, I'm not near as likely to get sick when I look at their images. No doubt, there were definitely some dirt bags in the past too. I'm not saying that the living should be excepted from the laws written by Congress. I'm saying that I hope they don't amend the law to undo it's termination. I'd like the Presidential dollar series to end right where it is. BTW, a president lying under oath is not a cheeky side joke to me, it's the kind of thing that's led to the sort of societal rot we're experiencing today. I want to be able to look at my coins and be inspired by what they represent.
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