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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1949 Posts |
Dumb... No Dead... Clearly not (see internet, ebay, CCF, ect. ect. ect.) OP, I do not understand how these frequent critiques of dealers not buying common material at top dollar are fair? If someone makes an uneducated purchase (like an 'MS70 NNC' piece of bullion or something similar) and they overpaid by an arm and a leg, then turn around and try to sell to another dealer, who gives them a dose of reality, and offers to buy at spot, how is that the fault of the second dealer?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
alvaro77, Many people have gotten interested in coin collecting with the State Quarters and other mint programs. I recommend you collect what you enjoy looking at, but you should not expect any appreciation in value of modern coins minted in the tens or hundreds of millions, or even proof sets with lower mintages. Dealers will offer you far below what you paid for your coins, with very few exceptions. You will lose dearly trying to re-sell gimmick coins (painted, gold coated, etc.). The gold on gold-coated coins is worth only pennies. I you want to profit from coin buying/selling, you need to get very educated and find a niche specialty, such as die varieties. If you get smarter than someone who is selling a coin, and that person has a valuable variety that he doesn't know he has, that's where the opportunity is.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: Can't be less than face Not sure but I remember seeing an add sometime ago that a bank was offering $0.99 for each of those little baby sized dollar coins. I think it was done to show how little of value and desire to use or own one was. As to this hobby, yes it is getting a bit old lately. Our government is doing the same thing with coins they did with Stamps. Over kill. Just to many piles of things people just don't want such as Proof Sets. Yes at one time those were sort of a thing to want but like everything else, excessive amounts of them and attempts to add in State Quarters and baby sized dollars is making them not to nice to pay for. In the past you could have an Album without proofs but today almost all Album Companies want you to put a proof in there too. Stuff like this is sort of killing this hobby. And yes it is only a hobby. But then too was stamp collecting, sporting cards, Hot Wheels, Barbi dolls and most of all, Beanie Babies. Myself, I used to like collecting Quarters. And even when they added in the State Quarters I continued but now with almost everything imaginable on the reverse side, I quit those. And Album for all those would be about 10 feet wide.  And as to those baby sized dollar coins, no one wants them, uses them, needs them and they just kept on making them anyway. And with Dimes and Nickels. Just a bit of a never ending same old, same old. Will things like this end this hobby. Not likely? It is only a hobby.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
I don't doubt for one second that Every collector on this forum has made a foolish/unwise coin purchase at some time. That doesn't make any of them "Dumb" , the only time one of these purchases could be seen as dumb is if it is repeated. As for your coins being worth less than face at a dealers the just spend them if you have tired of them.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Amen.
Modern issues after c. 1990 are just mass-produced junk designed and marketed by the US Mint to lure the ignorant consumer.
This despicable scam has nothing to do with the fine hobby of collecting past issues of our coins and paper money with historical interest and scarcity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7193 Posts |
As stated by many it's a hobby. There are many shinny round objects being peddled by the mint, coin shops, pawn stores and even TV pushers. If you have been ducked in purchasing coins with high mintage and no metal value take it as a learning tool. Realize that you are not going to make a quick profit on modern coins. Few gain value. I long ago decided to not collect clad coinage and have focused on silver and gold issues by the mint. Even these have had great gains and losses with the valve of metal. I still collect them for my personal pleasure. I have many coins amassed over 40 years, sold some when times were tough but I remain a collector. I still have my worthless clad proof sets from the 70's. I'm not angry that they are worth less than paid for 45 years ago I accept they are of no more valve than face. They are part of my collection and I can appreciate the fact I have held them for so long. We all have probably bought coins that no chance of gaining valve but collectors continue to add to their collections because we enjoy the hobby. Monetary gain is a secondary aspect.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
5394 Posts |
Thriving more than ever. Also with today's available resources ( available to all) there are no excuses for a true numismatist to not ultimately be successful. This is a hobby first and can be financially successful to a collector who participates wisely. I have been a coin dealer for over 40 years and there are many rewards well above the financial gains. The friendships garnered over the years and travel to places I once could only dream of.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4085 Posts |
I have read some of your posts and you sound like a frustrated collector to me. To take a different slant on things, I think you are collecting the wrong thing or for the wrong reason. I agree with you that modern coins are not valuable. I buy a proof set and an uncirculated set from the mint every year, but only because I like them. I know they will in all likelihood never be worth much; probably less than I paid most likely. But I think there are other coins you might collect that have a good chance of holding their value OR be inexpensive to put together. I am down to a few really expensive coins to finish my Lincoln set, but I went to a coin show last week and got 10 or so BU wheaties for around $40 because I am also working on a second set to hold coins bumped out of the first set. I enjoyed putting those 10 wheaties into the backup set as much as I enjoy putting a coin into set #1. I saw a post where someone completed a set of BU War Nickels I think. Now, that seems really interesting to me and it probably doesn't have to break the bank. Start a set of uncirculated Lincoln Memorials or a set of Franklin halves. Find something they are not CURRENTLY making that YOU find interesting and put together a set. Value will come if you collect what you have a passion for. That's what works me at least.
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Valued Member
United States
446 Posts |
I don't think coin collecting is dead or dumb, as some others here have stated. I have enjoyed this hobby for 40+ years, starting out when I was a kid, and I still get a kick out of finding wheats, Canadians, and oddities. I am of the opinion that the US Mint isn't a big help. I thought the earlier commemoratives were neat, but now there are too many of them to collect. Same with the ATB Quarters and Presidential dollars. They've taken it too far if you ask me.
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Pillar of the Community
Norway
1358 Posts |
I think the main issue here is 'coin dealers'. They have a business to run, so of course they won't praise your Fleur de Coin 1794 flowing hair dollar as more than 'it's all bullion to me'. They have different interests than you. Don't worry, that's why ebay and similar sites exist nowadays. Traditional Coin dealers may be dead and dumb, this hobby certainly isn't.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
724 Posts |
Most coin dealers are precious metal dealer and make their living on gold/silver. It is a multiple billion dollar business with market hundred and thousands bigger than the collectors coin market. They basically have little interest in minor variety or modern clad coins. Handling them means that their time is spent on nonproductive part of business. Not worthy the time.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5828 Posts |
Well put, KenKat  I could not have said it better myself!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1247 Posts |
when a buyer offers you less then face value, then you spend it.... really very simple.
High grade coins always retain their value. Low grade coins do not.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
See if you can expand your interests out of coin collecting, and into numismatics.
A MUCH smaller market, but much more engaging of the intellect.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4211 Posts |
The hobby is far from "dead". The introduction of the internet has put a lot of brick and mortar stores of all types out of business. Remember Circuit City? Many mom and pop stores as well. A great deal of remaining brick and mortar stores are finding it difficult as ebay Amazon etc. cut into what use to be walk in traffic. I have been a coin collector for over 40 years..on and off. What ever I purchase I expect to pay "fair market value". If I were to sell something that I purchased recently and too it to my coin shop of favorite dealer I would expect to get an offer of a portion say 50% or 60% of fair market value knowing they need to make a profit when they sell it. They sell some years of Modern proof sets for just $2.50 - $8.00. Prior to the 28 coin sets anyway. I can remember hearing that the "hobby" was dying off in the early 90's. When I would go to coin shows almost all the dealers had gray hair as well as most customers. It still looks very much alive now...that my hair is gray as well.
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