Real Deal Special Strike 1964's?

Because they're not impossible. They're a marketing scheme. Same lines. They are raised. From the pictures the lines look to be the exact same. They're not even rare is what I'm saying. An Unfinished Proof, a refinished die, raised polish lines, proof like rims..they're all used as description based on a particular SMS that's being auctioned at the time. We'll see. I'm just not going to be satisfied until someone who has had one in hand gives an actual description as to what makes them so special. I'll just send them out and wait for them to come back "cleaned" too. Bogus hype is what makes them impossible.

First off, thank you for being reasonable Mike. This is my last attempt to show that the lines do run under the devices. If the planchets were polished before the Nickel being struck, it would cause the metal to move outward, making it appear that the lines hadn't ran under the bust from a glance I believe. If they're cleaned, they're cleaned and I don't care anymore. This is just to sum up what I can see.

That's exactly what I have gathered as well. The fields between the devices seem to look cleaned, especially when they start to tone, whereas the outer devices have a mirror/proof like shine opposed to the typical luster of an uncirculated Nickel. I spoke with a dealer for quite a while and we came to an agreement that it is most certainly not circulated consistent it's tilted in the light, the mirror finish shines through the over polished fields. It also affects the toning process noticeably. I ordered a ms65&66 1965 SMS from NGC, an ms66 from PCGS, and a few raw SMS Nickels for comparison that should be here any day, along with my nickel I sent to PCGS through the dealer. They claim they're not comparable, which I can see being the case on the Half, Quarter, and Dime due to the difference in clad composition, but the nickel is the same 25/75 ratio of metals, so it will be about the same. You're right too that they look cleaned but if you notice when they tilt around light, the outer devices have a mirror shine under them. This is the Satin finish of the times, not the 2005+ satin garbage that everyone is obviously comparing these too. Now the silver, I found a great comparison, namely on the Half, to compare "Satin" to. The 1921-22 Special Strike Peace dollars. They are satin, none of these guys have ever seen one in person I'm sure, and they're directly comparable. Again, not the Bogus 2005 Satin Finish on Clad. I feel like we've wasted a lot of time and money with NGC on this matter as they don't even have any SP 1964's listed anymore. I doubt they will ever attribute them as such. Unfortunately, between the difficulty of judging pictures and the fact that nobody on here has seen one..along with the pessimistic attitudes of most people living in the box instead of seeing outside of it..I think we've wasted a lot of time here too. I will post the PCGS results on this post for you when I get it in. Better be soon or me and the dealer will be having words. He did say that in terms of a Satin Finish early 60's coin and before, think an old Roman Gold coin. He hadn't seen a 1964SP but he had seen the 1936 Satin Buffalo and Cent Proofs and said the tiny polish lines in and around the devices, and the micro cracking all over made him assume that they are certainly different. An obsession is about to pay off Biowhateverucallyourself.. always know what your working with. Great minds are the ones finding abnormalities..sheep are just naysayers until they get one handed to them.

Not entirely I'll just try again. There's A LOT of things I have found through research through legitimate articles and FACTS, and opinions are like butt holes.. everybody's got one.

....And they all stink

Do we have an update on this?

Wait, so which coins did you submit to PCGS? I'm lost