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 Posted 05/31/2016  09:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone!

1963 Franklin die clash FS-402
Looking for confirmation. I am sending submissions to PCGS and want to included couple of the die clash varieties out of a few rolls I acquired recently. Also is a broad-strike?
Actually 3 CH/BU rolls which looks like or most have this variety included in them.

I'm posting a couple more for approval cause I'm hoping to put a few on ebay. The rest that quality permits will go to PCGS.

I am pretty positive I can send directly to PCGS for grading and include the $18 for their verification. Correct?
Most are BU+ many high graders.

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 Posted 05/31/2016  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joey, I am not an expert on franklin halfs, however in your photos I don't see any clashes, it could be because of the lighting. also this coin is not broad struck, if it was one edge would be concave. I will post a picture of my broad struck penny.
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I think you may be thinking mis-aligned die (MAD) because the top of Liberty is touching the edge and the bottom of the coin is offset. yes I would agree as MAD, however your coin is very minor and would not command a premium because of this.
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 Posted 06/01/2016  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gradewise I think your Franklin would be low MS. All those small nicks on Ben's face should limit the grade to MS-62 at best.
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Thanks very much for responses. Yes I know this one is lower MS due to nicks. I mentioned many upper grades in rolls but not applying to this particular coin. I apologize. I know this is variety. Not bugs bunny. But thought maybe clash. Question: on broadstrike. Please explain difference between MAD and other? As I understood broadstrike was when letters make contact with rim etc...?

I'm not sure on DDR fs-801, am having little trouble on. Though now as I look again on Coinfacts, I am leaning towards DDR? Although the marks on lower profile and behind and in open area thought were showing die clash fs-401.
DDR or clash.

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm...spx?s=509942
http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/CoinIm...spx?s=510122

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 Posted 06/01/2016  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glossary,

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Broadstrike
Coin struck without a collar, thus when the coin is struck the metal is allowed to expand and increase in diameter. May be centered or uncentered, but must not have any missing lettering or design detail.


If reeds are present all the way around the edge, then that's a good indicator the collar (third die) was present at time of strike. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 06/02/2016  07:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Again thank you for all the input. Broadstrike makes more sense to me now. These do have all reeds.

I made some adjustment so go show what s in facial area in front and back of bust. Also on the bottom front of the bust.

Is this not showing of the die clash? It look as if so. Someone please help on this. Take a look @ PCGS 1963 varieties for this. Also the lettering IGWT and LIBERTY. What am I looking at there. And the activity in plangent face. Plus the scratches in the bust especially around the eye looks like clash as seen in coinfacts.

http://www.PCGScoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/509942

Again what is there I see?

I thank you ahead of time for effort in giving input/advise.

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 Posted 06/02/2016  07:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, my mistake that it is FS-402 not 401
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 Posted 06/02/2016  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everything looks normal to me on your coin. What are you seeing as a variety? On the last image you can see the reeds, so it is not a broad struck error on you coin. I wouldn't have it graded. The value if probably less than the fees involved. If the coin was a $100+ coin or a high grade coin, then it might be worth it. (MS-65 = $50 but your coin is not that high of a grade) But I'm not seeing that on your coin.
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