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It was my understanding that the negative interest rates associated with the "deposit rate" in Sweden only applies to cash. In Sweden Banknotes and coin held by banks is dropping 3.5x times faster than Banknotes and coin in circulation outside banksAt any rate here are the metrics in local currency for different currencies (sweden, USD, GBP, Euro, Switzerland, Japan).I also indicated SEK and JPY in USD.
Banknotes and coin held by banks (per capita)
year Sweden USA UK Euro CHF JPY
2011 850 kr $232 £90 167 € 966 67,089
2012 780 kr $252 £86 182 € 960 63,997
2013 348 kr $257 £72 181 € 972 74,617
2014 370 kr $279 £106 187 € 1019 75,332
2015 195 kr $263 £80 185 € 962 75,183
Banknotes & coin held by banks in Sweden and Japan using then year x-rates (per capita)
year Sweden ~JPY
2011 $123 $866
2012 $120 $743
2013 $54 $711
2014 $48 $630
2015 $23 $624
So while Sweden never held much cash in banks relative to other countries, since the government imposed negative interest rates, the cash held by banks has dropped precipitously. If I am not being clear, the general economic rule is that zero or negative interest rates usually mean people head to cash instead of banks. Sweden is bucking the trend partly by allowing the banks to avoid cash (outside of their ATMs) so that they have limited ability to get large denominations or large amounts of cash. It's partly changes that are this abrupt to go from $120 to $54 in one year for banknotes & coin held by banks in Sweden that makes me loathe to call this change consumer demand driven. Personal habits change relatively slowly. But the bank is highly motivated to stop dealing in cash because of negative interest rates. I feel like there is a demand element since people get used to apps like SWISH, but I believe a lot of the change is coming from the government down down to the people.
Edited by PacoMartin 10/09/2016 10:52 am
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Don't know how much negative interest rates affect the amount of cash carried by banks, but lately (since around 2009), bank offices have stopped carrying cash and I suppose that would explain the enormous decrease. Also: Quote: Now they are developing "contactless cards" that will permit Swedes to make purchase of up to 200kr without entering in a Personal Identification Number. I actually happen to have such cards although I didn't order them as such. It's something my bank uses when issuing new cards, and I have never used that function.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conta...#Floor_LimitI suppose there are two different things. One is a "floor limit" which is the amount below which you don't have to sign or enter a PIN. In the USA that varies from retailer to retailer but places like home depot will typically permit up to $50. On the other hand "Home Depot" is not typically a place where someone will take a stolen credit card. The second thing is the "contactless payments" which makes some people nervous. They turn off the function on their card. People are afraid of RFID chips. Banks stopped carrying cash in Sweden for a variety of reasons. The one that is usually promoted is that it cuts down on bank robberies and makes it safer for bank employees. But cash is inherently expensive to handle. You need people to count and recount, you have to lock up cash drawers, and petty thievery is always an issue. It's basically time consuming task with no real opportunities to add fees. The negative interest rates simply make cash even more expensive to handle. I understand that Denmark is discussing doing away with cash machines in some retailers. I don't know if Sweden is also talking about doing the same thing. In the USA the problem of locking up a bar at 1AM and taking a pile of cash to the ATM for deposit is very risky. Some high end retailers and occasional restaurants refuse to accept cash in the USA. Most apartment rental companies refuse to accept cash. A lot of gas stations will only accept up to $20 banknotes, and they are deposited into a safe onsite which the employee cannot get into. They display a large sign to that effect to discourage armed robbery.
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It looks like Riksbank has slammed the breaks on the rate at which cash was vanishing in Sweden.
It's been 32 months since the new 50kr, and 100kr banknotes were issued, meaning that all denominations of banknotes had been replaced.
The total amount of Cash in Circulation has dropped only 1.1% per year on average (banknotes only) in those entire 32 months
Maybe Riksbank has decided that you need a certain minimal amount of cash to keep the infrastructure functionioning, or else they are waiting for the e-krona.
Circulation is about 205 million banknotes for a country with a population of roughly 10 million. Banknotes are under contract to be produced by De La Rue in Britain. Personally, I think this will be the last series of banknotes issued by Sweden. In 10-15 years when you might normally issue a new series, cash will probably be so unimportant that counterfeiting is no longer a serious threat to society. On the other hand if you are not afraid of counterfeiting, then they might issue this series for another half a century.
Edited by PacoMartin 06/16/2019 01:04 am
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Now it has been 33 months since the new 50kr, and 100kr banknotes were issued, and the cash supply of valid banknotes is actually slightly higher than it was 33 months ago.
While not a significant change, it does show that the march to cashlessness may not necessarily be pre-ordained. Society may simply want a minimum amount of cash.
Personally, I don't think the e-krona is going to kill cash. It will just be another type of electronic money. Please state otherwise if you disagree.
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Interesting. Thank you for the update.
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53.939 SEK billion Sept 2016 valid banknotes only 53.967 SEK billion June 2019 valid banknotes only
I was on a Caribbean island that was hit by a hurricane and lost all power for weeks. The island naturally switched to a cash or theft economy, but of course many of us couldn't get cash from the ATMs. We had to depend on the cash we were carrying to eat.
If the same thing were to happen in Sweden, it seems like many people don't have any cash on their person at all.
It looks like Swedes don't think about natural disasters much as they don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes. Julorkanen 1902 was a strong European windstorm which struck Denmark and Sweden on 25 December 1902. Circa 50 fishermen were killed, while very few people on land were killed.
Edited by PacoMartin 07/28/2019 02:54 am
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I continue to find this topic very interesting not just from a hobbyist viewpoint, but also from history/economics viewpoint. I have only two anecdotes to add, no real data. I spoke with someone recently back from a holiday in Sweden who did notice the absence of cash in transactions there. And on a recent one week trip to France, I used cash only once: to buy bus tickets on my next to last day. Quote: I was on a Caribbean island that was hit by a hurricane and lost all power for weeks. The island naturally switched to a cash or theft economy, but of course many of us couldn't get cash from the ATMs. We had to depend on the cash we were carrying to eat. If the same thing were to happen in Sweden, it seems like many people don't have any cash on their person at all.
I do think about this possibility for the U.S. Power failures for some hours or even days are common. Not just due to disasters, but also to lack of maintaining the grid, and in the future perhaps for sabotage. Of course there is an entire industry that makes money from publicizing this possibility, but I feel it is common sense to have some amount of cash in small bills on hand. Of course that assumes you are able to make purchases where the clerk can actually do some basic math by hand.
Edited by tdziemia 08/01/2019 9:40 pm
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Quote: I do think about this possibility for the U.S. Power failures for some hours or even days are common... Of course there is an entire industry that makes money from publicizing this possibility, Generator sales are up, up, up. 
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Cash in circulation continues to slowly creep upwards from it's low point in January 2018. The 500SEK banknote leads the charge so the ATM is not completely dying. 200SEK ~ US$20.42 The 200SEK banknote which introduced on 1 October 2015 is losing ground. While the $20 banknote remains extremely popular in Canada and the USA, Swedes have not really developed a fondness for it as circulation remains at roughly 2.5 notes per inhabitant. I did see a CNN segment on 10 October 2016 where the reporter was astonished that a Swede did not recognize a 200SEK banknote as Swedish money since he had never seen one. The note had been in circulation for about a year, but as you can see circulation has not increased in the last three years. Circulation of the 200 SEK banknote5.208 billion SEK (30 Sep 2016) 5.051 billion SEK (31 Aug 2019) Personally, I did not forsee the near total rejection of this denomination by Swedes. As an American you are totally used to using $20 banknotes and you would be shocked to get some other denomination from an ATM. I thought that since Swedes were using less cash they might welcome the smaller denomination. I completely guessed wrong. https://money.cnn.com/video/technol...ty.cnnmoney/January 2018 to August 2019 +3.6% : 20 kr -11.2% : 50 kr +29.3% : 100 kr -7.8% : 200 kr +18.7% : 500 kr -12.1% : 1,000 kr +14.9% : total
Edited by PacoMartin 09/29/2019 11:29 am
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