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BU Or Damaged Walking Liberty?

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I have no doubt the coin has its original mint luster. My concern is above "in god we trust" on the observe there looks to be a cluster of scratches. I don't think the coin is cleaned because the luster is great. Is this just heavy bag marks or is this considered damaged?

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 Posted 08/17/2016  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks cleaned to me or someone dipped it one too many times
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 Posted 08/17/2016  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coin_kid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks cleaned...
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I must really not know what a cleaned coin looks like then. This has cartwheel luster and aside from the cluster of scratches in that one area I see nothing even under 10x loupe. What indicates that it has been cleaned? I compared to a MS64 PCGS walker and it has the same look,luster, and shine.
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Need a better picture if the IGWT.

The picture of the reverse....has me thinking. Might just be the black and silver contrast working on my eyes, but how FLAT are the rims on this Walking Liberty half?
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Besides those so called scratches above IGWT , one of your photos shows some nasty hits and chatter on her skirt . However I don't believe this coin was cleaned .
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The coin looks MS. The lines could be either hair lines from someone rubbing it or die polish marks. No way to tell for sure from these photos.
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So in either case, would this just be a high AU/low MS (60,61)? Or would that make it be a details coin? I'm still confused on why some folks think it's cleaned. It has the original mint luster I would expect from an uncleaned coin. Thanks!
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Sharper pics needed for sure.
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I'm still confused on why some folks think it's cleaned. It has the original mint luster I would expect from an uncleaned coin.


Do not confuse mint luster with cleaning as they are two different things. A coin can be improper cleaned and still have excellent luster. The exception would be a coin that has been over dipped and the luster removed from a chemical dipping. The hairlines could be as noted die polish lines or hairlines from improper cleaning. The area could have been cleaned to remove a spot on the coin. If you are seeing the same lines in the field and on top of the lettering or going around the lettering, the coin has been cleaned. Die polish lines often look like they are trying to go under the details. If the lines are die polish lines, the lines will be very straight and continue inside of the lettering. Check the lines in the area with your 10K loupe.

I am leaning toward the coin having been improperly cleaned as I seeing would could be other hairlines going in a different direction.
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Here is one with nice luster that was cleaned as someone removed what appeared to be a carbon spot on the cheek of this Morgan. You can see in the photo what could be faint hairlines on the cheek, but is very clear under a 10K loupe.
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Here is a Morgan with prooflike surface that was cleaned. In hand the coin has MS type of luster, but the mirror fields were cleaned. When you look at the cleaning hairlines on this coin, the hairlines change directions with the light angle. I never understood why some would clean this coin.
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Thanks for the knowledge slider. When I think "cleaned coin", I always think of the whole observe and/or reverse cleaned. I wasn't thinking that simply scrubbing a single spot makes a coin "details." Well the good news is I only paid $10 for it so I don't think I got ripped off too bad.
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