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Yes...Certainly the reverse similarities on the right leaf and crown beads do tell a story. It's an eye opener. The fact that ICCS did not catch ANY of the coins is worrisome. Worse yet, there is no excuse for me or ICCS to not pay attention to the 1914. It's called looking at the "bling" instead of detail. Just too obvious to not see.
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Sadly this is just the beginning.
I am so mad.
I'm not even convinced PCGS would have caught that 1891 penny, or the 1920 quarter.
Edited by Alan
10/16/2016 4:29 pm
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I can just see the Canadian collectors frantically pouring over ICCS stock. I'm not overly concerned with the money aspect since Paypal will refund. I am more concerned what this does to the industry and ICCS graded material and how much of it is already out there. Even majority of experienced collectors would likely miss the 1920 if brought forth on it's own merit. And no one looked twice at the 1891. It's concerning to say the least...
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10/16/2016 4:44 pm
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This is quite interesting.
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I agree that this is quite scary and very concerning. We frankly should only be concerned about the accuracy of the grading when presented with a graded coin, but this opens pandoras box
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Any one thinks someone could have switched coins and resealed?
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No, the op bought these, sent them in for grading. Think long and hard about the implications here.
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There was no "switch" with any of these coins. Any comment on the 22 penny and the nickel pictured here? I don't own these but I may want to track down the buyer through the seller.
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The 8 is wrong on the 28 nickel, it's fake, and the 1922 is quite a good copy but is off centre towards the top just on reverse. though can't see any differences in the numbers need bigger pics.
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That other account is even more scary. I'm a world coin person and the 1923 key date South Africa Penny is alarming. In all reality there's no stopping this now. The quality on these is remarkable. They absolutely are not using a matrix to create dies, too time intensive and expensive. IMO I believe they're 3d printing dies from either high quality photos or from high quality coins. I would say the former, as those images of gems are all accessible on the PCGS site and the 3d technology is there now. Sure if one looks long enough you can find tells but on these you might be looking for hours and days. And by the time it's figured out, their process gets better. Mike Marshall had his finger in the hole in the damn, but the damn, well, it burst today. And referring to the other account, these idiots matched a Hong Kong Edward obverse with a Canadian 1912 dime reverse. Like a triple whammy mule ha! Because of the luster and surfaces, you tend not to notice. 222276158937Edited by Alan
10/16/2016 5:59 pm
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I have noticed through numerous threads on the site that there have been interactions between members and the people that run ICCS. Are the people that run ICCS members here? Would they make any public comments ?
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Question regarding this case. I'm assuming Paypal will force you to ship the coin back to the seller with some sort of tracking right? Or are there circumstances such as this where you can reference this thread and hopefully they're smart enough to understand what's being said and eventually side with the buyer?
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10/16/2016 6:08 pm
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This 1936 quarter is alarming. But what I'm noticing is that the bust appearance wise is more in line with a 1936 dollar, there's really no difference in detail, but just the way it appears, almost like they shrunk the 36 dollar obverse to quarter aize 222276160989 |
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Edited by TheCoinHunter
10/16/2016 6:12 pm
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I'll work with Paypal on the issue. I have 180 days. I do want to discuss the coins with ICCS first. And this is in no way meant to discredit ICCS, but I'm seriously cointemplating (yes that's a pun) to again start to send higher grade coins to PCGS/NGC. At least the coins are somewhat financially protected from counterfeits. As a dealer, I largely use ICCS due to market support.
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