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I wouldn't be surprised if some of those world coins are already in PCGS holders. They are really good.
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Alan this 1916 that you posted 322271807920 is the exact same obv die as the 1914 I have. Note the two gouges in front of the effigy as well as one below the bust. Edited by TheCoinHunter
10/16/2016 6:58 pm
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Well, that may be the case but at least whoever has them in a PCGS/NGC holder will get market value for the coins.
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You mean this one. 322271807920Amazing, that means they used the same die to strike yours, totally agree. This means there are raised lines on the die that created incused lines on the coins it strikes. What would be really interesting would be to find that original genuine coin that has those scratches. If we could find a PCGS graded example it means they counterfeiters used the picture to create the die and not the coin itself to create the die. Wowsers. This gives credence to 3d printed dies. Scary stuff. I feel like the guy on info wars or something. Edited by Alan
10/16/2016 6:58 pm
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Further more, study that image everyone, if you see an Edward dime with those exact marks, its a fake!
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Yes I corrected it. Is it really possible to generate a 3d object with that quality from a flat picture?
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This keeps getting better. Your counterfeit 1920 bought from Spain has a scratch on the reverse to,the upper left of the date. This 1920 from China, well it has the same scratch to the upper left of the date. China listing 322288129892Your fake 1920 from Spain>  FaKe 1920 from China >  Now, can anyone find this genuine 1920 Canada quarter in PCGS registry? look for look for those scratches. That would prove they're creating dies from high quality images and therefore are 3d metal printed dies. If you see those exact scratches on any 1920 cdn quarter it's fake don't touch. Edited by Alan
10/16/2016 7:22 pm
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Yes. The obverse as well. Note rub on shoulder ribbon and small ding front of effigy.
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Cannot find any similar marks on obverse, to confirm, you have to look for exact scratch ding or gouge on both This is fun  Edited by Alan
10/16/2016 7:25 pm
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Even if they made it from a high grade piece that they bought and not just a pictures it's not like they couldn't buy the piece make the die and sell the real piece at a small loss. After that they'd just be printing money. Regardless of how they are doing it, these counterfeits are extremely high quality. Really the only one I could tell outright instantly was fake(other then mules) was the George V nickel and that's only because Ive looked through so many George V nickels. Even their toning is not over the top and realistic. We need Mike Marshall to save us all. ICCS really has no excuse here when they even let a wrong obverse/reverse pair go successfully through grading, to me personally authenticity is the entire point of TPGs. |
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Oh ICCS can expect a bill from old Alan here for grading their grading.
I give them a poor 1
500$ payable asap, thank you for my business
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The OPs coins are not the traditional counterfeits. i.e. off-metal, key date coins designed to fool new collectors. These coins are common dates, made of silver and exhibit familiar forms of toning. No common date decimal coin is off-limits now and if it was not for their thankfully amateur mistake of marrying the improper die combinations these coins would have been accepted as real and sold several times over. The ICCS blunder only multiplies the severity of this situation to the point where I am questioning my willingness to continue in collecting. This is a very sad day for Canadian Numismatics.
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I personally collect and deal in paper money but have been contemplating expanding into coins, now I'm not so sure if I should, I am actually afraid that with all this crazy stuff happening
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In that one lot ICCS graded 3 counterfeits for the op. All in one shipment. Is that right op? Is there anymore? Just wondering. That's what I gathered so far.
Talk about a huuuuuge mistake. Almost like there's no scrutiny for counterfeits at ICCS?
Worse yet, again, is the world coins, the Australian coins are really good & Cypriot coinage. Never seen anything like it.
This has seriously blown my mind. Never did I imagine counterfeits to be this good
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A sad day for Canadian collecting.
I fear that what has been discovered here in the last 12 hours is just the tip of the iceberg.
How many fakes are there in ICCS holders?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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