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1943 "Bronze" "Copper" "Experimental" ..... Real/Fake?

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 Posted 01/17/2017  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinlover1899 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah...please don't clean coins! The 1943 Copper cent, is my favorite variety coin! I have 2 plated versions because I can't get the real thing Although I would wish more than anything that this be a real 1943 copper, it does look like a cast counterfeit to me. Have you weighed it?

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Looks to me you scrubbed mighty hard/long if you only used alcohol and a cotton swab. That coin looks straight up polished now, and hideous. If anything though it probably got rid of some of the surface texture that made it originally look cast, but I'm sure with a loupe an expert could see past the cleaning.
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Oh come on. The first thing on any legit coin site or book is to not clean your coins. If it is real, you just cut the value in half. If it is fake, you didn't do anything but make my eyes bleed. Don't clean your coins, unless you have acetone and know what your doing.
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Oh, no. If that's real (and I have no idea) then you just killed it.

NEVER clean coins. It severely reduces what value they may have.
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You know how to "send it in" (I assume to get it professionally graded), but you don't know not to ruin clean it.

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So you new the significance of a 1943 bronze cent but didn't have a clue not to clean it.Do you already know it's not real?

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If it is real, you just cut the value in half.


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the seller sells purses and clothing, spoke little english

What kind of purses? If it's purses from China or fake name brand ones, chances are the coin is fake as well.
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Yeah, I agree if it's cleaned you might as well just send it to me. I'll get rid of it for you.
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Thanks for the jib jabs guys, I feel right at home now :) . Well for crickets sake no! I really no idea cleaning a coin could damage or devalue it... what is that all about? I clean my lenses with it. . In my opinion the coin looks allot better, you can see the details, the flaws pop, and well it just shines. But obviously what do I know.

Yeah I all ready know it's fake. Yeah right, I wish I did maybe I could sleep better and wouldn't now have a coin obsession, witch I'm wondering if is healthy or not haha. My girlfriend is distrought :(.

I actually thought it was good coming from off shores but technically in U.S. circulation? Also I thought it well that it came from a private seller instead of a coin dealer or someone who deals in coins often? I may have been took, but I went with my gut.

A couple months ago I found a gold plated quarter in my change, I really liked it, looked it up and it was worth $4. I thought cool and it's been in my pocket since. A couple weeks after I got exactly 1 cent back for my change at the corner store, it was a 1919 wheat. I looked it up, and went into research. Seeing what a 43 copper is worth, I began the search, I'm sure most of you can concur :) . Then going through search engine after engine, right before christmas, I found it listed. I did tons more research, looked again and again at the coin, new from asking the seller it wasn't magnetic. My girlfriend help me purchase it, it was sent insured mail v.i.a the seller.

Now I have the coin and yes it will be sent in.

On a side note since acquiring it I have gone penny crazy, literally..I go to the store I ask for rolls. to the casino, I buy there bags of incoming change. specifically a $50 bag witch we found about 40 wheats and many other key dates not to mention canadians and error coins. Also, all change is kept and sorted now, I've started researching the dimes, nickels, and quarters also.

I also purchased about 75 43 steels for comparing my copper one too ;) .

Sorry I know that was long winded, sorry if you're eyes are bleeding lol.

Did you guys see my other post focusing on the errors? Also No, I really do think it's real still. maybe I'm a fool? But thats-awhy IMA EDJUCATIN myself-



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But thats-awhy IMA EDJUCATIN myself

That's always the most important thing about this hobby. I wish I could go back a couple months when I first started to collect and educate my self when I was picking up my first walker. The dealer had a pile of walking liberties and told me I could pick any of them for $10... On the table was a couple rough looking 1916 half dollars and better looking common date.... guess which one I chose


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@dtl

I really, really hope you found the real deal. Of course, I wish it were me.

As far as the "cleaning" goes, don't take it too harshly (pun not intended). Acetone is generally acceptable for coins and denatured alcohol is even weaker. I use alcohol on plastics with no adverse effects.

The Mohs scale, mentioned previously, tells you that cotton cannot scratch copper (however, minerals on the coin's surface being moved about by the cotton can).

You haven't done anything that would detract from this (assuming real) specimen's value over any other key date/error cent. So, maybe it's only worth $60k (or much more) now and not $85k (or $1M). I'd take $60k for a penny any day of the week.

In this case, it's about the rarity of existence and not the rarity of grade. If real, the alcohol swab won't really matter.

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What you did to this coin is done frequently by those that do not understand what collectors want. Yes, "it looks better" to you, so you figure it will look better to everyone. Unfortunately in the broad coin market, cleaning is looked on unfavorably, and that manifests itself in the vastly decreased price you could get for it when selling it. Looking at ebay coin listings you will find a LOT of cleaned coins, but they generally go unsold or sell to people (like you) that just like the look of a cleaned coin better than a tarnished and/or dirty old coin.

Sellers of fakes prey on people that think the seller doesn't know the value of what they have. They don't know anything about coins. They just want to sell it and get some money. I'd be willing that the foreign, non-English speaking, purse-selling vendor has dozens more of these.

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cut um some slack guys & gals, he's new, if I found that I would of had a heart attack cleaned or not cleaned, if real, it will sell regardless, that is an extremely RARE date ! ....of course I would never sell it ....hahahahahaha .....anyway, I think 2 made into a 3 .?.....cheers.
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I thought I was being very nice.
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 Posted 01/18/2017  6:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ter215 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi nss-52, no I was trying to be nice on top of everyone else's nice about the cleaning...hahahaha , you were spot on ...ok let me vanish now I'm making know sense ....
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