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RIP Mr. Wolfe.
It adds a lot to know the story behind the coin as you now do.
And it's rare that it happens this way.
Any chance of you posting a pic of the coin itself?
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Even after slabbing began the envelopes would be passed on to the new owner. At least until the coins started being sold by the major auction houses. Then we would usually find that the coin you bought that had a well documented provenance had had all the envelopes thrown in the trash by the auction house. There is even a book to help identify envelopes from well known EACer that can help establish at least some kind of provenance. Unfortunately Mr Wolfe is not in the book. Bummer he's not in the book. The weird part is this WAS a buy from Heritage. I would think there would be some legalities in revealing the prior owners identity. |
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The owners did not have to provide the envelope. Maybe this is why Heritage typically throws them out. I could see someone at Heritage saying, "yeah I know we're not supposed to do this, but its really cool. Maybe I'll just send it to the new owner."
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Please keep the envelope & don't throw it out!
The envelope is a valuable part of the coin and its numismatic history and it should be preserved as such; in addition, it increases the value for collectors who value originality, provenance, and pedigree on scarcer and higher-end coins. It's also a way to remind yourself that you are never truly the owner, but merely the caretaker.
Bud Wolfe applied to join EAC in Nov. 1986 & became a member in Dec. 1986. This was right after the September Goldberg/Superior Robbie Brown sale, cataloged (quite nicely, at that, hardbound, in a dark red leather slipcase with gold lettering) by Collins & graded by Bland, which had a shocking number of high CC# coins, and a shocking amount of early coppers in general, 1400+ all told.
As an historic footnote, a 1793 S-10 Wreath Cent / Vine & Bars, graded EAC 40 by Del Bland and judged to be Choice by Jack Robinson, sold for a 1986 mega-bucks $8,000...try that now...
Hope this information helps you somewhat. AB
Quick edit: As a Michigander he may have also been active in CSNS; if anyone has some Centinel back-issues tucked away that might be worth a look...
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
01/18/2017 10:08 pm
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Great coin and interesting provenance. Kinda makes me wonder if I shouldn't have been saving those paper envelopes too.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I think I'm going to crack it out and put It back in its original holder That would be a cool move. If you do, I think you've earned the right to put the package in your own envelope with your info on it. However, I think you could also get a 3 slab display wooden case with the slabbed coin in the middle, Mr. Wolfe's envelope in the left and your card with your name, price paid, date acquired, and info you want to add to the provenance on the right. I think that protects the coin for posterity and pays tribute to the prior and current owner. Just a thought.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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As a young man Tech Sergeant Wolfe served his country in the Army Air Corps. After the battles he was stationed at Iwo Jima and Saipan. R.I.P. Mr Wolfe, and thank you for your part in our freedoms. If it was me, Mr. Wolfe's service would make owning the coin all the more special. And I agree that if you crack it, and even if you don't, you should somehow include the history of your ownership with it to be passed on. You are the steward of this lovely Miss Liberty now. Someday someone else will have that privilege but with your name as part of the history. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halveshttps://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 |
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If this post gets indexed it will show up in serps with his eulogy. His heirs will know it's in good hands. |
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Bummer he's not in the book. The weird part is this WAS a buy from Heritage. I would think there would be some legalities in revealing the prior owners identity. At one time I had a source inside one of the major houses that send me TPG certificates and other memorabilia. I would often get items that still had the consignors notes attached to them asking the auction house to "please make sure the new owner gets these". |
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I always have coins on my Heritage Want List especially for 1794, 1795, and 1796 large cents. Recently one became available (1796) and I placed a bid. I usually lose about 90% of the time on Heritage but I'm OK with that. This time I won! The big surprise is that it came with a pedigree from the previous owner. I Googled his name W. B. Wolfe and it brought me back to the coin community and this thread - wow.
This is another coin from this EAC collector who passed away a few years ago. His notes said that he bought it in 1972. Sooooo cool. I'm guessing that his family had it slabbed by PCGS so I broke it out of the slab and returned it to his flip with the cloth holder inside. They could have made so much more on the auction if they shared the pedigree.
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Very cool Cipster! Congrats on the coin! You should post a pic of it and his notes in this thread. I'm surprised this page would show up in serps this soon.
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