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Up For Grading - Seated Liberty Dollar

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Any thoughts on grade and surface originality much appreciated.

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I'd crawl to the Sedalia exit for that one Mike! Whoa, 170 years of being very lightly jiggled around, very nice. This is only a WAG, AU-50 by chance? Wish I'd age that gracefully!
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What is going on with the rim (reverse) at 12:00?

As for grade I'd wager its in the neighborhood of AU-55.

Tone looks to be a bit uniform to be totally natural IMO but I'll defer to better minds on this forum.
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This is a nice example, lightly circulated at AU 53. Possibly at one time wiped but market acceptable to me. I would have this coin in my type set.
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AU-53
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EF-45. It has an AU look to it, but I'm sure if there is much, if any, luster on the piece. You need some decent luster to make the AU grade in my opinion.
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AU55 to me
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au50. Reverse rim damage won't details it, but is significant and distracting.
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I'd say AU-50.
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AU50 maybe 53. I think the rim issue was a defect with the planchet and not PMD therefore I think it would not warrant a details designation.
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AU-53 or better. For the first time I disagree with billjones, in this case about the necessity of luster for an AU designation.
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AU-53.
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For the first time I disagree with billjones


just like the discussion on FSB where TPG's require only center bands. in my opinion all three must be split, just a personal preference when I buy them, this is my requirement for the designation. I think Bill was just stating his personal preference when grading for AU. I agree somewhat with his comment but for AU I dont look for any luster on 50 but I have a hard time with any higher than that without it. again just a personal grading preference.
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The PCGS standard is that AU coins should have some original luster.


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Luster. AU (Almost Uncirculated) coins should have some original luster. For lower grades color and originality have the same effect on grading as luster does for higher grades.

http://www.PCGS.com/eyeappeal/


Although PCGS makes luster a component of the technical grade of AU circulated coins, what rubs people the wrong way is that you find tons of PCGS AU-graded coins that have zero luster -- contrary to their own grading standards.

Sheldon/ANA standards also require AU coins to have luster.

I understand billjones' frustration.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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