You Vs PCGS Germany 20 Mark Prussia 1888

I am seeing no wear and only a few noticeable marks, so I shall guess MS-65. Very nice.

I agree. Here in Germany probably Stempelglanz (stgl.) and therefore MS-65.

Thank you for a the answers!
I will solve now: Its a PCGS MS 64. Maybe they are too harsh, but I like the coin eitherway :-)

And I hate to say this: Last week I sent this coin to an expert for german coinage and its fake! PCGS put a fake coin into the Slab...

The expert for german coins will do the reclamation. I dont think that anyone would put a german fake coin (from the 1960s) into a fake slab. The problem is that PCGS shouln't grade things they don't unterstand. He has 12 other geman fake coins in real slabs as well.

In 1960 it was better to buy a gold coin instead of a gold bar, because of a different taxation (in Germany). Unfortunately there where no coins like Krugerand etc. Just the old circulation coins from the 19th and early 20th centuary. Because of this leak of coins there was a huge difference between melt value and price. A german ophthalmologist called Dr.Schmidt had an infernal idea: He made his own gold coins with the value of 5,10 and 20 Mark. They have the same material like real coins. At first he dit it for investors, but he became better and better. Later he made facsmiles in a better quality for collectors. But almost all of them have the same problem: The edge inscription. You can read the words ''Gott mit uns''.
And now to my case: I could not check the inscription because of the slab when I bought the coin. For me it seamed to be an early strike ''prooflike''. Last week there was a very similar coin at ebay that was at least made with the same stamp reverse. You can see little rifts between the feathers of the eagle. I asked for pictures of the inscription and got the impression that it was fake. I mailed these information to the expert and he told me to sent the coin to him. He dit not open the slab but he knows the problems of fake coins. Via phonecall he said that I was right. My slab is not the only one with a fake coin and he tries to get a refund. he has personal contacts to a former PCGS leader.
And now please excuse my english. Its horrible.

Thank you very much!
I tought it as well. The Portrait has much more Details than all my other Wilhelm II (And the are in a condition between what you call 58 and 62)

Hopefully this thread is not dead and buried. I don't understand the problem about the edge inscription gott mit uns. How is that any different than the inscription on the genuine coins?