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He locked his vehicle and went inside the hotel to check in. When he returned to his vehicle, two bags were missing from the back seat. They contained a large volume of highly graded collector coins and banknotes.
Iorio said police told him initial surveillance suggests a lone male approached his vehicle and slightly opened the rear passenger door, unbeknownst to the dealer as he was parking his rental vehicle. Sounds like a random airport hotel break-in strategy, but I'm not sure how anybody doesn't notice some stranger slightly opening a rear door to defeat the door lock (which is what this sounds like), particularly when you're carrying a million dollars. Hope they catch this scum. |
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This is not a random act. If it was random, more cars would have been broken into.....This is a classic targeted victim ploy, probably tailed from airport.
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I'll never understand why people leave valuables in unattended vehicles.
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I'll never understand why people leave valuables in unattended vehicles. Nor do I. I guess they assume no one knows what they have and that no one would risk the unknown.  |
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The targeted scenario implies that they knew his flight schedule and/or what hotel he was staying at. I guess law enforcement would know whether some thief has been randomly grabbing stuff from cars at hotels or if this was unusual.
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It could just be criminals looking in back seats for bags found this guy and his car.
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I'll never understand why people leave valuables in unattended vehicles. Right, at least put items in the trunk instead of in plain view in the back seat. Although if hew was being followed because the thief new what he had then that wouldn't deter him much either. |
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For this amount of material to be stolen is not a random act. His itinary was known before hand, probably had mentioned he was going to show and sell a lot of coins, the phase "loose lips, sink ships" comes to mind. Some one casing his business "overheard" his conversation perhaps in his shop with a known customer. Made it convenient for crook(s) by putting valuables in standard baggage,inside instead of trunk. Thieves didn't have to risk stealing the car. They knew they were seen on video, bet face was hidden or "changed"...
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10/06/2017 1:15 pm
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It could just be criminals looking in back seats for bags found this guy and his car. Plausible. |
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I'll be the first to say it.
Something doesn't seem right about this whole thing for too many reasons to list, but just how this whole crime went down, seems 'strange' to say the least.
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Something doesn't seem right about this whole thing for too many reasons to list, but just how this whole crime went down, seems 'strange' to say the least.
Sure, if you haven't heard the same scenario playing around a coin theft a dozen times in the last fifteen years. Success breeds complacency. |
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Odd that someone who has been in business for over 50 years would suddenly make these mistakes given he knew what he was carrying. How does one get on an commercial flight with that kind of material, if as suggested he drove from the PIA? Most newer vehicles are equipped with alerts and dashboard displays that let you know if a door has been opened.  Edited by Proof Nut
10/06/2017 6:28 pm
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Sure, if you haven't heard the same scenario playing around a coin theft a dozen times in the last fifteen years. Success breeds complacency. I agree. It is easy to say we would have done something differently, but not everyone uses the same logic in these situations. "It cannot happen to me" and "If it has not happened to be by now" is more common than we think. |
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It would not have been hard to determine where he would have been and when. Major coin shows give out the lists of dealers weeks in advance, the name of the hotel is publicized in advance (to get good rates), the start time of the show and the limited number of flights from Winnipeg would have unfortunately pinpointed his arrival rather precisely.
Given the risks of the coin business, we should not begrudge the dealers' profits.
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Something doesn't seem right about this whole thing for too many reasons to list, but just how this whole crime went down, seems 'strange' to say the least.
Sure, if you haven't heard the same scenario playing around a coin theft a dozen times in the last fifteen years. Success breeds complacency. Many other scenarios that you refer to are quite different to this one. Most other ones, like the ones you hear about at US coin shows, happens when the dealer closes up his show and on his drive home, stops at a restaurant, where his car is broken into. The goods are stolen while the dealer is munching on his hamburger and fries. In regards to Joe's theft, I find many differences and a few of them are a little too 'coincidental' for my liking. I don't buy the 'random' theft story and I find the 'planned' coin heist a bit of a stretch. I want to state for the record that I do not believe the Vancouver dealer set this up. But.......for this robbery to be planned and for it to happen the way it has been described to us, strikes me as a one in a million occurance and all I'm saying is there must be a whole lot more facts that we do not know about. |
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