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Hi, Mike. It's hard to tell from your pics but I know you took the best ones you could. I did see some hairlines in the obverse field. No way I could make a judgement about them being from cleaning but they are there.
Are you still going to send it to PCGS?
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You're probably looking at the streaks on the holder, bro. I don't plan to do anything at this point. I'm just happy to have it in my collection. It's safe in the NGC slab.
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Hi, again. You would know best, Mike, since you have this coin in person and you took these pics. However, don't be biased, either. The light seems to have caught a few hairlines on the surface, for all practical purposes. I'm still not saying that makes it bad. Every coin, even uncs, can have some kind of contact marks. Ron, I noticed the same hairlines earlier. It may be the reason why the coin got a Details grade. I can't be sure that they are from cleaning, as sometimes coins can have small hairlines from circulation. Another thing that makes it difficult to tell whether the coin has original surfaces is that we are grading the coin from pictures. However, the coin has still has a very nice eye appeal, cleaned or not cleaned. |
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I highly doubt those are cleaning/contact hairlines, let alone hairlines sufficient to merit a details grade. Mike literally has a bright light source shining on the coin and under that kind of direct light pictures always accentuate "hairlines", not to mention that this is a coin photographed through a slab which does all kinds of funky stuff to lighting.
I'm sorry, but I don't see anything to change my view that NGC is just plain wrong - this is a beautiful, mint state coin. Especially so if luster is crisp and uniform, as Mike confirmed in a previous post.
Mike quit stalling and send the darned thing to PCGS will ya! Yes, it may be safe in it's NGC holster, but it's not getting recognition it deserves in a details holder.
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Exactly. This was put under harsh light to try to bring out any flaws. I could show you my portfolio of other masterpieces of photography I took under that same lamp that others screamed were cleaned but came back in straight graded holders from the tpgs. I can see what one might think are 'hairlines' in the circles you drew but they aren't. Not even close.
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On the other hand though, I am not at all surprised things are downgrading right now with how conservative grading went around the new year. It almost seems like someone convinced the TPGs that people wanted ultra conservative grading and they decided to experiment with it.  The examples are endless. I know of a few pieces that have made their way from au holders to low ms during lax periods in grading. One of the Bass 3 cent silver coins was originally an au55 and is now an ms63 I believe, bet it would be back in an au slab if resubmitted raw today. Look at all the dmpl Morgans in old green PCGS slabs, or first generation NGC slabs. Very few are dmpl by today's standards. Here is a piece that I owned twice. As a 66 dmpl, I felt it was undergraded but had shallow mirrors. When I purchased it the second time, I believe they got it right.   |
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Looking at your harshly-lit pictures, I see definite wear, so AU is justified. I am also no seeing the elevation chromatics and natural randomness that I would expect from a naturally-toned coin. I don't have the coin in hand, but I do not think the color is original. Quote:
Also, even in the images I uploaded to CCF, you can see the frosty luster in the fields. That doesn't happen on a cleaned coin. False! Here is a cleaned coin. The luster is blazing and original. PCGS called it cleaned. Bill Fivaz and I agreed. Whaddya think?   |
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Typecoin! You're a bit late to the party. I don't think this fargin thread will ever end.  Step right up, folks!  |
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I don't plan to do anything at this point. I'm just happy to have it in my collection. It's safe in the NGC slab. This seems like a good plan. Don't play into the TPG re-submit game. |
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Quote:This seems like a good plan. Don't play into the TPG re-submit game. I agree. People seem hell-bent on hashing out the same thing over and over again for another 12 pages. Good grief. |
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Here is a cleaned coin. The luster is blazing and original. PCGS called it cleaned. Bill Fivaz and I agreed. Whaddya think?
Great looking Morgan. Are hairlines evident or is this a dipped coin? If no immediate evidence of cleaning stands out and the coin is "blazing" with luster as you describe, then I'd say the cleaner did a superb job, akin to what NCS does for a fee and then "qualifies" the coin for a grade. If the above holds true, I don't see why this Morgan shouldn't get a straight grade. As for your argument about unnatural tone on Mike's coin, that's a different matter entirely. Terms like market acceptable or not have been used to discuss toning and from what I see, this half has lovely toning that only adds to appeal, even if it is "unnatural" - I'd pay a premium for this kind of toning and eye appeal. Nevertheless, if it was the toning that led NGC to details this coin, then I'd have liked to see "questionable color" on the holder instead of "cleaning".   |
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Is the coin authentic? I'm not so sure?!!
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I still think a PCGS submission is a good idea. Maybe not right now, but at some point. Been a fun thread.
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Typecoin! You're a bit late to the party. I don't think this fargin thread will ever end Yeah... I have not been around here much in the past few months. Quote:
Great looking Morgan. Are hairlines evident or is this a dipped coin? If no immediate evidence of cleaning stands out and the coin is "blazing" with luster as you describe, then I'd say the cleaner did a superb job, akin to what NCS does for a fee and then "qualifies" the coin for a grade. If the above holds true, I don't see why this Morgan shouldn't get a straight grade. There are a few scattered hairlines that indicate a very light wiping. The hairlines are there, but not easy to see. |
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