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Thoughts On This 1854 O Half Dollar?

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What are your thoughts on this 1854 O Half Dollar?


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We will need bigger pics.
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MikeF, you were too fast with your response. After I posted I realized how small they were and corrected. Thanks!
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I don't like the color. Seems off.
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Au58 details cleaned and retoned
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Obverse is from a rusty die as their are a lot of pimples (hopefully a rusty die).

Although I see no hint of circulation rub anywhere, the fields are "dead" and the obverse gives the impression of applied tone.

If it were me, I'd pass on this one unless it was already in NGC or PCGS TPG.
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This one just looks really off. I have my doubts that it is authentic. I'd take it to a LCS or somewhere to have them take a look.
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Numismatic Student, What stands out that makes you think it has been cleaned? I agree that the toning looks off but not sure about the cleaning?
Moxking, Yes this variety is recognized to have been from a rusty die.
chesterb, This coin matches the WB-101 variety, and more specifically to Bill Bugert's newer book with a variety as WB-1. The die cracks and date placement are an exact match. What makes you think it is not authentic?
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I have that reference and agree on the variety. It just really has an odd appearance. It has some lumps and bumps not referenced in the book like on both of the arms, obverse fields, etc. I guess it's die rust but the strike is so well executed from rusty dies? Like I said it just looks strange. High grade coin otherwise.
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Not sure if authentic. If real, AU details, Questionable Coloring.

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Chesterb, yes I agree with what you are saying. I noticed that there are more lumps and bumps than what it shows in the book. I also wonder what that is on the reverse to the left of the mm, it looks like liquid drops or bubbles?
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I also wonder what that is on the reverse to the left of the mm, it looks like liquid drops or bubbles?


Someone sneezed on it. Actually, I'm being serious. I see these spots on toned coins all the time. Some type of liquid matter was inadvertently splashed onto the coin and caused the area to tone differently. There is another one to the left of the 'I' in the toned area on the reverse.
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Certainly appears uncirculated, but I too find the color off-putting.
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UNC details. Color doesn't seem right/natural to me either.
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surfaces look lusterless and hazy especially in the reverse. does not show natural toning, but rather what I would expect from a coin that was dipped and retoning.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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