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Can We Post A Complete Commemorative Collection?

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Okay, I was just thinking about the year they were put in to circulation.
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Ah, yes, I see what you were thinking now.

Regardless, I am all for having them on the list for June if there are no objections.
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 Posted 04/11/2018  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am all for having them on the list for June if there are no objections.


I will humbly state an objection to including them in this thread ... and my logic below will not be as persuasive as previously stated by commems when the topic of 'what is a commemorative' has come up before ... commems of the appointed title 'CCF Master Historian of USA Commemorative' as designated by universal acclaim.

One could search for commems input in this sub-forum ... my view is as follows and I believe follows the broad outlines of commems logic:

A commemorative coin as intended for this thread has the following characteristics:

1. Authorized and struck to celebrate a singular event
2. Limited by the authorizing legislation to some level of mintage limits
3. Struck and sold to collectors at a premium to face value as 'not intended for circulation' issues
4. Are not generally available in circulation as coins of commerce as a result of #3.

The Westward series Jefferson nickels suggested by Chopped Triumphs are different ...


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the nickels were also a commemorative coin, isn't that what this thread is about


They do indeed share point #1 ... struck to commemorate a singular event.

That said ... they were authorized as coins of commerce as what I consider a 'special design' of a long running series of coins and minted to the limits of what the current USA coinage demand required.

There was no attempt to make them available only as NCLT examples ... and the 2 year run of the coin produced billions of available examples which can readily be found in circulation today.

If we include them ... then what about the 2009 Lincoln Formative Years coins ... the 50 coin USA State Quarters ... etc?

Agreed these are all 'commemorative' at some level ... but not the actual commemorative that are the subject of this thread.

Thats my logic ... it's your CCF and I defer to the judgement of the members on how to proceed.

I have voted 'no'
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 Posted 04/11/2018  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coronet1832 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If they were related to the commemoratives we've been posting, like the March of Dimes dollar and dime set, it would make more sense. Otherwise, I think they'd work better in their own thread.

But I did stipulate that we shouldn't get too caught up in the rules, so if people want to start posting other stuff on this thread in June, I say feel free.
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I'm with nickelsearcher on this.

Other coins that would then fall into this soup mix would be coins like the '32 Washington 25¢, 1909 Lincoln Cent, 1959 Lincoln Cent, 1964 JFK Half, etc. It would take away from the 'specialness' of the significance of the commemoratives that this thread highlights.
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Another proof


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My contribution to John Marshall day is another proof coin ...

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 Posted 04/12/2018  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love that reverse.

As to the Nickels - I don't consider them commemorative issues simply because 98% of commemorative collectors don't include them in their set.

But I wouldn't fire studs if they were included as photos. I'd simply rather not see them here.
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Objections noted.


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I did stipulate that we shouldn't get too caught up in the rules, so if people want to start posting other stuff on this thread in June, I say feel free.
As Coronet1832 is the OP, your decision will stand as called.

Carry on.
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Sooo, wouldn't the spouse series be considered commemorative?
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As would the bicentennial quarter, half, and dollar? Although minted for circulation.

I don't think we should limit coins even if they don't meet the exact qualifications.

This is a fun thread, not a doctorate thesis. It can't hurt to see other coins, even if they aren't something we collect. We might even see coins we hadn't considered for our commemorative set that could be considered as peripheral inclusions.
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Sooo, wouldn't the spouse series be considered commemorative?

Not according to the authorizing legislation, PL109-145, or the US Mint. The spouse gold coins are gold bullion coins.

They are listed in the Red Book as gold bullion coins as well.
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As Coronet1832 is the OP, your decision will stand as called.


It's Coronet1832's thread.

Plus, we haven't been strictly following the initial rules anyway, e.g., when nicklesearcher posted the internet photo of a 1903 Louisiana Purchase Exposition Gold Dollar that no one had it violated rule#2 (The coin you post must be yours), but no one complained. To me, it's all about having fun and not the rules

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