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My Latest Six Ancients (Brings The Total To A Collection Of 15 Coins)

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 Posted 02/07/2018  10:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found one of these by looking at the banner on top of CCF ebay sellers items. These came from Paul Bulgerin in two diff purchases. A big Thank you to Paul for allowing me the use of his supplied images. These sure look like nice ancients to me for what little I know.

Constantine the Great GLORIA EXERCITVS AE-3 from Trier
307-337 AD
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Constantius II GLORIA EXERCITVS AE-3 from Constantinople
Struck at the Constantinopolis mint between 333-337 AD
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Constans Twin Victory AE-4 from the Siscia Mint
Struck between 347-348 AD
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Crispus BEATA TRANQVILLITAS from the Trier Mint
317-326 AD
( I thought the story of Crispus was pretty interesting )
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Gratian CONCORDIA AVGGG AE-3 Constantinopolis Mint
367-383 AD
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and this last one is supposed to be rare, but I know very little to nil about these things. I have been reading about these characters and find them quite facinating.
I hope my info is correctly posted.

Gratian CONCORDIA AVGGG AE-3 - Rare Type
367-383 AD
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 Posted 02/07/2018  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Mike, I hope when I get to work on all the stuff I've been accumulating I have some as nice as those!
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 Posted 02/07/2018  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matt2018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure those coins arent fake? I mean I think I see some red flags there. Not an expert- just a noob- but are you sure they are geniune?
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 Posted 02/08/2018  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume they are legit. There are some experts here, they will point any problems out. If there would be.
Please comment on the flags you think have popped up for you.
It's OK, we are all here to learn.
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 Posted 02/08/2018  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Matt2018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK...

RE: Constantine the Great GLORIA EXERCITVS AE-3 from Trier

the eyes look atypical

and despite it cracked in several places, it looks 100% in pristine condition. How is that even possible?I mean I have a never seen that.Finish looks like it was made yesterday - no pitting Ears too perfect(ears are the first to wear down )

A couple cracks between 1 -2 oclock in front side- same exact color as the rest of it.

just a noob here- only speaking with common sense on the subject and a lil exp.

I just dont think I would trust it- even with what the experts say- Even the most experienced and trustworthy sellers have a fake here and there

2nd and first pic- the hair looks very similir in the grooves

standards crooked on 1st+2nd?

just a noob... I hope I am 100% wrong here..
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 Posted 02/08/2018  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
100% genuine.

Congrats on a beautiful lot of coins.
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 Posted 02/08/2018  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once upon a time
Not too very long ago !
I used to buy coins like these for $2 a pop .......
Ah those were the days.
Too bad I sold them all off for $5 apiece ! I thought the buyer was a 'sucker'. But I did use the money to buy some nice 1st century Roman bronze.
Still .......
I wish I had kept a few !

And yes by the way these are all almost certainly genuine.
I say almost because we can never be 100% sure about everything anymore. Fakes find their way into the most unlikely places.
But a reliable seller is your best guarantee.
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Congrats, on a very nice group of Late Roman Bronzes (LRB). All have nice patina and are 100% genuine.
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 Posted 02/08/2018  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice acquisitions...Congrats!
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 Posted 02/08/2018  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really nice coins TNG...Good pick up

I'm in the market for a Gratian and wish I'd seen your final coin..lovely!

They all look genuine to me and I think Paul has enough experience to judge the coins he's selling are genuine especially as he had them in hand..

Congrats on the growing collection..

Paul

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 Posted 02/08/2018  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love the color on the Gratians!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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 Posted 02/08/2018  06:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see nothing to indicate anything to worry about with any of these coins.

To address some of the direct questions on the Trier coin.

"the eyes look atypical" - compared to what? How familiar are you with the style of engraving at Trier from this time? There are strong stylistic similarities between Trier and Lugdunum in this period and this eye would not appear out of place at either mint. I have owned in excess of 100 coins of Trier from this period.

"and despite it cracked in several places, it looks 100% in pristine condition. How is that even possible? I mean I have a never seen that."

The edge cracks are part of the striking process. Nice grade examples are readily available for minimal expense.

"Finish looks like it was made yesterday - no pitting Ears too perfect(ears are the first to wear down )"

Not unusual at all. Just nice.

"A couple cracks between 1 -2 oclock in front side- same exact color as the rest of it "

What would you expect them to be? The cracks were created when the coin was struck. It should age in exactly the same way as the rest of the coin. In fact it would be more alarming if they didn't.

Here are some of my many Trier coins. Are they ringing the same alarm bells?

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A nicer Lugdunum

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 Posted 02/08/2018  07:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice set of coins, TNG. Congratulations.
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 Posted 02/08/2018  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here in the CCF:
LRB's:
The ancient collectors' equivalent of LMC's !


One of the best concise references for LRB's:
"Late Roman Bronze Coinage" by Carson Hill & Kent, first publ. 1972, Spink $ Son. Covers the period 324 - 496 AD.
The book is a reprint of a collection of articles published in the Numismatic Circular, by the authors.

Only a slim volume, but packed full of all of the right kind of information.

Can be obtained on ebay for around $30, plus shipping. That is not too much to pay.

Advised to me to get, when I visited The Department of Coins and Medals (British Museum), many years ago.
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02/08/2018 07:34 am
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A bunch'a beauties, one and all! Congratulations.

Man, this reminds me how much I need to upgrade some of my LRBs!
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Nice collection and congrats!
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