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Eisenhower Dollars--Why?

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 Posted 03/16/2018  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well said Earle....I fondly remember those days as kid growing up in America.

I remember my great-grandmother given me Ike dollars for my birthday and Christmas.
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By the time those were put into circulation, people already were a bit tired of using a dollar coin. They are large and heavy compared to a paper bill. Every time I got one and tried to spend it in the past, whoever was the cashier where I spent it would put it aside for themselves. Mostly by me conductors on trains or buses had no place for them and really didn't like it when people tried to use them. By the time those were being made people already were tired of the Half Dollar coins.
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And it look good....

Eisenhower-Dollars--Why?
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By the time those were being made people already were tired of the Half Dollar coins.

The Ikes were out quite a bit after people had become tired of the half. Compare the numbers of very worn Barbers and Walkers with more modern designs which indicates these coins were more heavily circulated. When the half dollar was all it needed to get you through a day, the were used.
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 Posted 03/17/2018  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bet the excitement for this coin was off the charts- the kind of excitement I would have if they decided to end the dollar bill and issue new, 38.1 mm dollar coins with Lady Liberty on them. I really, really like to dream.
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Excited? Yes. The excitement was as much about person and symbolism being represented.

I do not remember too many, if any, people I knew thinking the new Eisenhower "silver dollars" were actual silver. Pm was not the excitement. Why do I mention this?

I saw an interview online of an APMEX representative when PMs were so high. The conversation somehow went to the presidential "gold dollars," and you could tell the interviewer was thinking the APMEX guy meant these were actually gold. The interviewer, in context of desiring gold, said something to the effect of needing to go to the bank to get some.

Yeah, I know... hard for some of us older people to believe. But remember what I said earlier about the dumbing down of critical reasoning skills? Anyway...

The Eisenhower dollar Era (capitalized it for jbuck!) was a day when most school kids could tell you what the designs on coins and bills were. I remember the teacher using these designs as tangible teaching aids in history class when studying the presidents and American history. Well, OK. She used pictures of 10s 20s, 50s, and 100s. But I remember her even mentioning and showing pics of the 500s and 1000s while saying we likely would never see one because they were not used much in the general public. Remember that 5.00 still bought something back then.

Kids nowadays have no clue what the designs are since these icons of American history have been relegated to trashpile by the mis-education/reprogramming department. So again, people of the Eisenhower dollar Era were excited about the cooins from having much more of a connection to what these Eisenhower dollars represented. The people of the day knew who he was, his truly American contributions to society, and again, paired with the recently accomplished greatest scientific achievement of the 20th century, the excitement was unavoidable.

No, there were no parades (that I remember anyway LOL!), but I remember family and friends showing them around to see if people had yet seen and held one. Our banks always had rolls of them for the asking. They were fun, like nowadays, to leave for tips, etc.

THEN... the announcement of actual silver, "silver dollars" being made for collectors came out. Yes, that was exciting for numismatists.

I think the Ikes also helped promote the sales of more proof sets - at least in my family. My grandfather, who got me into the hobby, started ordering 5 clad sets a year when previously he had not been interested in proofs at all. But, sadly his experience in the 1st Great Depression meant he did not want to put out the money for the silver ones when they came out...until the silver, three-piece bicentennial sets were announced! He ordered one for each of us. The lure of the special designs was just too strong not to own them in PM.

The excitement of the clad the bicentennials is obvious by looking at how many people stashed away rolls and kept every one they saw. The mint knew this would happen, which was likely one of the contributing factors to them deciding to not make the 1975 coinage. I remember it being said that for the bicentennial, they wanted these coins to be all over the place. But people still hoarded them. You can eBay-find rolls of them for sale at a small premium to this day.

The waning numbers minted in 1973 makes me wonder if the government was not thinking of quitting the series since the dollars were not circulating like bills. I am not even sure the government actually expected the Ikes to become a mainstay in daily commerce. Surely they knew dollar coins had never circulated well. I have also wondered if need for something special for the 200th birthday celebration was not an aid towards the positive side of the keeping of the coins? I am sure the added profits from making bicentennial coinage for two whole years could also have been used for an argument of not stopping the series.

SBA excitement? Actually, yes, I remember it. Despite the aforementioned concept of the new coin being a political move, the novelty of seeing something new again was still special. The advantage of being smaller and lighter than a half, yet with some buying power, might just work.

Again, I wonder if the design of the Presidential dollar might not have taken off back then? The masses of the time saw neither Liberty, a president (or a founding father) on the SBA. Putting someone besides a president, founding father, or effigy of Liberty on a coin was mostly perceived as lowering the importance of the latter three.

Historic figures like Edison, etc. were great, but not on the level of what coinage was deemed as being made to honor.

... unless people just "liked" the design. The Buffalo nickel comes to mind - fickle humans!

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The SBA would have had a better chance if the one dollar note was removed at the same time. It is just silly to have a "choice" knowing that the familiar (one dollar note) will almost always win.
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I am not trying to be negative by any means, but what you said is obvious and I do not see its value. I may be misunderstanding, but, to me, an equivalent statement would be that if cows only started to produce Pepsi, the people would learn to do without milk.

The fact of the matter is that people would still miss milk until a new generation of people never having known milk came on the scene. That new generation would be content and wonder why the old timers complained when their preference was taken away by making statements such as, "what's the big deal?" That's b/c that new generation never experienced a chocolate malt!

I truly believe government officials issuing the SBAs were well aware US history proved We The People never did want dollar coins and preferred the convenience of bills. So the SBAs were introduced as an experiment to see if the smaller format would bring about acceptability. After all, the larger Walkers had been used b/c in their day it only took one to get through a day of buying lunch etc.

Inflation killed the use of half dollars since it took more than half to buy what Walkers used to cover: enter the pocket weight problem. So by making the new dollar just a bit larger than THE standard spent coin of the day - the quarter - maybe people would see using the smaller dollar as an advantage (remember when the SBA came out, a dollar still had some buying power). If people started to use the coins, then it might be possible to phase out the dollar bill.

Now I need to go get one of those Shamrock Shakes!
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I am not trying to be negative by any means, but what you said is obvious and I do not see its value. I may be misunderstanding, but, to me, an equivalent statement would be that if cows only started to produce Pepsi, the people would learn to do without milk.
You seem to understand it, even if your attempted analogy is a bit more far fetched that replacing note with coins.

It points out the obvious failure of the SBA. If they really wanted to just test it, they should have killed off the one dollar note at the same time and see how well we adapted.

Also, you need to dial back the political commentary. I removed a lot of what you wrote because this is not the venue.
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...We The People never did want dollar coins and preferred the convenience of bills

I think that there is also a natural mental convenience of "everything under $1 is a coin", and the fact that cash register change drawers have only so many compartments has a lot to do with it too. The "convenience" concept doesn't work with me because over the course of history, there were inflationary factors at work and with silver coinage the coins had to be a certain size making them less convenient for general commerce. The smaller size makes them more convenient now but with no driving need to use them instead of bills, and lesser accommodations to support them, they remain unnecessary.
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It points out the obvious failure of the SBA. If they really wanted to just test it, they should have killed off the one dollar note at the same time and see how well we adapted.


How would this scenario be testing adaptation/anything? It was you who already stated the obvious and unavoidable outcome of the scenario. No test here - just one path to the result.

I think any elementary school child of the day could also predict the outcome:
Hey Johhny, could you spend dollar bills if they did not exist anymore? And Johnny, if only dollar coins were made, what would you spend when you had to buy something for a dollar?

What was the actual test in making SBAs was to see if a dollar coin could be made in a format people would use. They knew people did not carry halves b/c they were considered too inconvenient. So the mint designed a coin with double the spending power of the half, yet in a much smaller format. This seemed a winning combo when on the drawing board. It was an attempt to make a change while keeping in mind what the problems had been with former formats of the larger coins.

However, as we all know, the coins once again failed the test they were designed for. And since there was an actual pass/fail involved, the waters had to be tested. There was not just one possible, unavoidable outcome.



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One could make the case that, as is often noted, the SBAs were too similar to quarters for the test to be truly effective. If only SBAs had a smooth edge instead of reeded, and were a golden color. Oh wait...
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This has been discussed many times in our forum since I've been here. I agree that the only way a dollar coin is ever going to be accepted is to remove the paper dollar as an option. Canada did that years ago and my understanding is that they love their loonies. And the weight really isn't a factor. Carry 5 goldens rather than 5 foldins for a week and you won't even notice.

The government would prefer that we move to Dollar coins for production cost savings and it makes good sense to me. But as long as we have a choice, a dollar coin will be something that you throw in the jar as an oddity rather than put back into circulation (unless you're part of the "circulating one dollar coins" thread )
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I truly believe government officials issuing the SBAs were well aware US history proved We The People never did want dollar coins and preferred the convenience of bills. So the SBAs were introduced as an experiment to see if the smaller format would bring about acceptability. After all, the larger Walkers had been used b/c in their day it only took one to get through a day of buying lunch etc.


"We the people" were never given a chance to accept or reject the Ike or the SBA. They were simply never issued by the banks. If they were then some people would have returned them and asked for quarters or $5 bills but most people simply never had a choice.

It's ironic the vending industry is what killed the half dollar. And then lack of a coin of real value is what's killing them now. Back in the late-'60's banks were always giving me half dollars and I was always handing them back and asking for quarters because machines didn't take half dollars.

If machines had taken Ikes (think Vegas) then it would have gotten much more circulation and if the banks had just issued the SBA people would have loved it and it would have made the green back dollar obsolete in a few years.

The FED and the banks are on the same page but the mint reads from Congress' playbook. ...Better stop here.
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