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Best Way To Get Rid Of The Green?

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The green on this Byzantine has resisted water soaks. I've recently seen a green coin here that was cleaned in one afternoon. How do you experienced collectors do that? Someone once mentioned using Lime Away. Is that what you folks do?
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 Posted 06/08/2018  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While not very pretty, the green color is the patina on the coins. You may just want to leave it as is.
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I saw one RVFVS did a few days ago, a Gordian III, and a lot of detail was revealed after he removed the green. Would that not be a good thing to do here?
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FR has many years of experience cleaning ancient coins, knows just how far to go without hurting the coin. I also have some experience, if I were tempted to remove the green a method I use is a q-tip and some Lime Away. Diluted in water at first and depending the reaction you can increase the strength. with q-tip and solution gently rub the coin, changing the q-tip when it gets dirty. Make sure you rinse the coin afterwards.
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The green you are seeing here appears to me to be the actual 'surface' of the coin.
There is still grime adhering to the green surface which could be safely removed.
If you remove the green you will not like what you find beneath.
Most likely bare metal and a net loss of details.

All green is not created equal !
Some of my favorite bronzes are emerald green.
The idea of "cleaning" them is ......... a very bad idea
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Thanks RVFVS. That's what I was afraid of -- all green is not equal. After seeing your Gordian I had hopes of maybe finally getting this one down to where I could read enough to identify the emperor. Frustrating not to be able to read enough letters! Are they down there under the green? But don't worry -- I'm not planning on zapping this one. :-)
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Seems like I also said to leave it alone.
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I'm considering x-rays.
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No. Not really.
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There is more than enough "detail" visible to identify this coin.
Byzantine is not my strong suit but it looks like Justinian to me.
If you ask echizento and provide him with the specs I am sure he will grace you with a definitive ID.
This sort of glossy green is unusual on Byzantine bronzes and quite attractive.
The great "secret" to good coin conservation is working with what you got.
In this case it looks like it may well be an emerald in the rough.
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Don't have a scale for gram weights. But will measure and get a better photo. Have had this coin for years.
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Anastasius Follis AD 512-17
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Looks like you nailed it. Thanks! Here's a better bust photo. Two questions. 1. How did you find it with only CON showing? 2. Should I use a bit of Ren Wax on it?
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One thing you will eventually learn is that certain types of coins were only produced during specific periods.
Whether we are talking about the S C reverses from Antioch or the 'good' silver antoniniani of the early 3rd century, monogram reverses of the late 4th early 5th century or in this case the larger bronzes of the early Byzantine period.
There are only so many emperors it could be based on the reverse M and the portrait with a profile.
Most Byzantine you might notice are facing portraits.
I saw the letters ST and not being particularly big on Byzantine the first thought was Justinian.
The lack of the ANNO on the left reverse and the gamma officina mark were two more clues.
Realizing that ANASTASIVS satisfied the ST clue I turned to Wildwinds and searched for a large M with gamma below and stars on either side.
It really isn't rocket science.
Just follow the clues and by process of elimination reduce the search list to a manageable size
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Looking at your new pic it looks more like it reads IVSTINIANVS
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Thanks for the lesson. I use Wildwinds a lot, but wasn't able to narrow this one down first. Learning curve will be long — but enjoyable.

What do you think about a bit of REN Wax?
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