Does this look cast? Something odd about the reverse image
Did they make these out of silver? It almost has an appears of a Roman Denarius- even though its a Greek coin that appears to predate when the Romans occupied Greece
Heavily faked type, including many that are struck/pressed.
The OP coin may be an obverse match to a condemned (by Barry Murphy, who knows his stuff) pressed coin at Forgery Network. The details of the hair seem very close.
Here's a slight enlargement for comparison with the condemned coin. Notice the matching wavy upper lip, boxy chin, etc., as well as the details of the hair strands.
That's because it is not cast. This is an important point that every newbie needs to hear: there are LOTS of struck and pressed fakes out there. Not every fake is cast. The lack of a casting seam along the edge does not mean a coin is necessarily kosher.
Even if Barry Murphy is correct, and the dies are modern, please still know this: the dealer here is one of our own - he is completely legit, is very smart, and is a genuinely good guy. If the coin is bad, it is an honest mistake.
Well I pulled the coin from the auction and will keep it forever with the other 5 I won't sell of these from different sources, not to worry. Hate to see a coin of mine discussed as fake especially on a forum I advertise on, but either way, there is such an open debate in my mind about these Histiaia coins of this type. First, for any expert to say there was never a die with this hair style and pellet I never liked. There is just no humility accepting the original forger might have copied an existing but still rare coin die type. You just know this is all beyond the electronic curtain of history, we have can't possibly say this as men of a science etc. Second, the world triggers on Histiaia for extra scrutiny and I am to the point that if I see a lot from Austria of greek silver for a grand I turn away if I see any Histiaia as real or not you don't want the hassle of dealing with them anymore. That is a shame. So can I find a bunch of these with this hair style and pellet type from a bunch of auction houses on past sales of acsearch? Sure. Can I quote the messages I sent to Roma and others about these coins and their understanding but ambiguity about if they want to discredit all of these with this hair style and pellets? Sure again. It is just frustrating the whole Histiaia mess, especially for the people who collect this city. There just is no room for debate, people are quoting the Torah when they say there never way this hair style in history. We used to make Laws in science and now people get upset as we call global warming a theory because hey it is just a theory. We just don't make laws anymore as science is just much more humble then it used to be. The ancient Coin World can have a very valid theory that there never was ever a die in ancient times with this hair style and pellet type. They just can't say that for certain and they really need more disclaimers in my opinion.
Global warming is not a theory... in scientific lingo a theory meets the highest possible standards of evidence, climate change has very little consensus regarding the amount of influence mankind is having and what the consequences of them are... also consider that since only one side of the debate is financed it has become very politicized, people keep banding around a debunked figure of 97% of scientists agree yet agreeing the climate changes is hardly confirming what role we play in the numerous causes and influences and 30k scientists have signed a petition against it if you polls these you get an entirey different % - what I am saying is that it is a hypothesis not a theory, an important distinction to make.
I agree though that it is hard to have absolute certainty about these coin matters though, we have to go with the balance of probabilities which makes it rather subjective.
Thanks Bob for your opinion on my coin, I was a bit of a nervous buyer on this one but I got it from a good seller.
I hear what you're saying, Joe. That why I stated, "Even if Barry Murphy is correct..." and "if the coin is bad" - the pertinent word there being "if." He does have tons of experience with ancients but, then, there have been plenty of mistakes made (on both sides of authenticity debates) by guys with similar tons of experience.
What I really meant was people compare, without knowing it, the legal system with science. In the legal system you notice something, make a theory of who did the crime, and then gather evidence. In science we notice something, make a hypothesis, then gather evidence. Only at the end of a series of experiments we call it a theory. Now as for global warming a bad thing? Here is an amazing video you might want to watch.
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My doctorate is environmental chemistry and I show this in class sometimes in a topic course. It is a UK fellow who you might know.
Well anyone can certify anything I suppose. That guy who famously on ebay lists coins high, cuts them down then takes "low" offers has one of these exact types, (much rougher) he says was $650 slashed to $250 with make offer and the condition and roughness he'll probably take $50 for a coin he paid $5 for and send a very official certificate to the unlucky buyer. Sadly it is exactly the same now famously "discredited" die set. I am just going to try to steer clear of Histiaia for a long while. Just such a mess.
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