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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! Ended At 1461 Waiting On 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)

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1643 King Louis XIII of France

1/12 Ecu

Paris
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1/4 Ecu

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1643 Queen Christina of Sweden

Riksdaler
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1/2 Riksdaler

series of upgrades
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Wow! Those are some upgrades!

1643 was the year of two Louis (XIII, XIV) in France.

For anyone who cares about this stuff, the successions
of the 3 Louises (XIII, XIV, XV) had nothing "normal" about them.
Louis XIII ascended the throne in 1610 at the age of 9 on his father's assassination. So we have another month to see t360s beautiful French coins with this Louis' image .
He died of tuberculosis and other illnesses in 1643, and his son Louis XIV gained the throne at the age of 5. We have now been enjoying his coins on this thread for over two months -- he reigned 72 years!
Within the last 4 years of Louis XIV's life, the next 3 in the line of succession all died: his eldest son (also a Louis) died in 1711 at the age of 50, that son's eldest son Louis, Duke of Burgundy, died of measles, just a year later at the age of 30, and his eldest son likewise died of the disease just 2 1/2 weeks later at the age of 5. Louis XV, his younger brother, contracted the disease too but survived, and ascended the throne in 1715 at the age of 5 (if you are keeping track, he was Louis XIV's great-grandson!). He would reign nearly 59 years.
So, among these three kings, there were three lengthy regencies, a span of five generations, and 164 years of rule.

(I've got no coins to show for another week, but I just can't stay away )
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On August 16, 1641, the coinage of 40,000 livres of new liards was approved. The old ones had to be returned to the coin house.



What was the reason?


no idea; I got that information from a very old catalog
(I will try to find it)
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We can never have too much information, keep it coming!
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1643 -- Dominion of Swedish Livonia, 1 solidus:
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1642 Double Tournois from Sedan, Frederic-Maurice de La Tour d'Auvergne, Duke of Bouillon:
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This is a truly wonderful thread with so many beautiful coins! I am astounded by the extent of your collections, some of you seem to have nearly every variety of every year... and with so many high quality examples too! I am also positively surprised to see so many coins from Sweden and Swedish dependencies - I thought that to be an area of interest mostly to Swedish collectors.

My own focus area is France, and I am happy to able to contribute from my rather small collection. After this one, I will have to wait until mid-August before my next contribution :-)

France: 1 ecu d'or 1642, Louis XIII, Paris (A)

The old type of gold coin, ecu d'or, continued to be minted until 1654, in parallel with the new louis d'or (first issued 1640). Its value and gold content was slightly higher than that of a 1/2 louis d'or. While most ecu d'ors continued to be hammered, some (like this one) were minted in a screw press - the same method as used for the louis d'ors.

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I am astounded by the extent of your collections


This feeling is shared by many of us.
We don't see much gold on this thread, so it is also a pleasure to see the ones you posted during the last few days. And we'll look forward to seeing more of your coins in August.
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1642 Double Tournois from Sedan, Frederic-Maurice de La Tour d'Auvergne, Duke of Bouillon



Frederic had a hard way to go(from Wikipedia):

...Having again conspired against Richelieu with Cinq-Mars, he was arrested in Casale Italy, and was released only when his wife threatened to open Sedan to the Spaniards (1642). During this misfortune, he promised to cede the strategic border principalities of Sedan and Raucourt to France.
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1642 Gaston d'Orleans, Dombes, France

Double Tournois
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Gaston was King Louis XIII's brother
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Frederic had a hard way to go


He was not the first one, as we will see when I post for 1635. Richelieu continued the campaign to expand French borders to the north and east, sometime using the fact (and sometimes the fiction) of conspiracy against the French crown to gain leverage.
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1642 King Louis XIII of France

Double Tournois

La Rochelle(H), small flan
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La Rochelle(H), large flan
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1/4 Ecu

Paris(A), rose
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1/2 Louis d'Or

Paris(A)
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1642 Queen Christina of Sweden

1/2 Riksdaler
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Riksdaler
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Thaler

Stettin, Pommerania, under Swedish occupation
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Incredible series of portraits.

I expect we'll see more coins from the Swedish occupation of the other side of the Baltic over the next 14 years. That one is spectacular.
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