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2000 D/S OMM With Close AM Penny What Is The Error? Help Here.

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Also would like to know how doubled dies are possible with the single squeeze method of die making.
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Well the first one the cent is a well know DDO. The others on the quarters are less known. The 1999-S is a proof example and probably the harder to find, but probably not a lot of people know about them.
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Dies were prepared at each mint themselves.


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Also the mints are making there own dies now.

Unless I have missed something along the way the S mint dies and West Point dies are still made at Philadelphia. Denver does have it's own die shop and makes their own dies from master hubs provided by Philadelphia.
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More food for thought. Note: from a previous topic. Sorry for quoting and re-quoting, but read through both as needed.


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Dies were prepared at each mint themselves.

http://goccf.com/t/290196&SearchTer...hanks,,doug.
http://www.doubleddie.com/58201.html

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A major turning point for hub and die production in the U.S. Mints came in the summer of 1996 when the Denver Mint opened its own die making shop. Prior to this, all aspects of the die making process were done exclusively at the Philadelphia Mint. The new Denver die shop was equipped with the single-squeeze hubbing presses that the Mint started developing in the mid-1980's.

Reading further makes for an open window as the next paragraph in the article states Philadelphia was still producing the actual Master Hubs and Master Dies that Denver was using on there single-squeeze hubbing presses to create there Working Hubs and Working Dies from. Also sound like Denver did have some production runs made for San Francisco Mint.

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The die shop at the Denver Mint does not produce master hubs or master dies. All master hubs and master dies are still produced at the Philadelphia Mint. Master dies for coinage production at the Denver Mint are shipped to the Denver die shop from the Philadelphia Mint's die shop. The Denver die shop then produces the necessary working hubs and working dies in their die shop. The Denver die shop also produces the unfinished working dies that will be used at the San Francisco Mint. Once received from Denver, the working dies receive their special finishes for proof coin production at the San Francisco Mint.

The way I think it reads is Philly did make the Master Hubs and Master Dies.

Then distributed Master Dies only to Denver to produce Working Hubs and Working Dies for Denver and San Francisco. The Master Hub(s) remained at the Philadelphia mint.

Wexler's reference states it started in the summer of 1996 but, nothing on ending. So uncertain how long that processed continued. Could've been the one year or could've been longer.

In 1997 Philly was set up and began producing dies with the single-squeeze hubbing process but, no mention when or if they took back the die making and distribution for San Francisco. Seems I read that somewhere. Thanks, Doug.

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Also would like to know how doubled dies are possible with the single squeeze method of die making.
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Read somewhere and need to locate the link. Doubled dies are possible with the single squeeze method.

Single squeeze process is a bit misleading. I believe the process eliminates the need to heat treat and realign the dies like needed between the multi hubbing process.

I remember it stated there is typically a notable "POP" as the single squeeze process is in motion. If the progress is in doubt, the machine operator or supervisor have the option to stop and do an assessment or make adjustments and restart the process as needed. Thanks, Doug.
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1. So if the master dies are made in Philly, then if there were a OMM, all the coins from that mint would look like that that year. A single die would not show it, because it the design would be passed on down the line and all the dies will be like the master die.

2. If this did happen to just one die, overlaying any two coins from those mints would show the only one possible placement of where the mint marks would fall over each other.

Impossible.
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Reading further makes for an open window as the next paragraph in the article states Philadelphia was still producing the actual Master Hubs and Master Dies that Denver was using on there single-squeeze hubbing presses to create there Working Hubs and Working Dies from. Also sound like Denver did have some production runs made for San Francisco Mint.


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The Denver die shop also produces the unfinished working dies that will be used at the San Francisco Mint.

I see a problem here. WHEN did this happen and Denver took over the working die production for San Francisco? It couldn't have been right after their die shop opened, it must have happened later. The WAM cents are from dies hubbed using proof design hubs If those hubs were in Denver making working dies then the WAM business strike cents would have been on Denver cents not Philadelphia coins.
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The way I think it reads is Philly did make the Master Hubs and Master Dies.

Then distributed Master Dies only to Denver to produce Working Hubs and Working Dies for Denver and San Francisco. The Master Hub(s) remained at the Philadelphia mint.

Wexler's reference states it started in the summer of 1996 but, nothing on ending. So uncertain how long that processed continued. Could've been the one year or could've been longer.

In 1997 Philly was set up and began producing dies with the single-squeeze hubbing process but, no mention when or if they took back the die making and distribution for San Francisco. Seems I read that somewhere. Thanks, Doug.
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